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[GreekIslandGirl]

Your vitriol is heating up!

Susan Sarandon was probably included because she raised the spotlight onto the international arena as so often Greece is forgotten or the victim of anti-Greek propaganda (such as yours). She documented the efforts of these people and pitched in to help. She represents the volunteers. So there's no harm in her being part of the collective (or do you prefer that Greece has no friends?).

As for the islanders, they were nominated by Eminent academics from the universities of Oxford, Princeton, Harvard, Cornell and Copenhagen.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... eace-prize

If you are now happy to accept press reports from the Guardian as being reliable perhaps you should read thishttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/greece-under-growing-pressure-to-stem-flow-of-refugees-and-migrants-into-eu

"Greece threatened with Schengen area expulsion"

Maybe I'll let your good friend Erolz66 tell you why that's a load of BOLLOCKS (his word) now that he has experienced a little guided discovery into finding the truth ....

[erolz66]

Maybe I'll let your good friend Erolz66 tell you ....

What I can explain to supporttheunderdog , as if such was needed, is how 'credible sources' work in GiGland

In GiGland a credible source is defined by if it supports GiG or not. It is that simple. The is no other criteria. EU Commission says something she likes, by definition its credible. Says something she does not, by definition it is not. Pretty much the same with truth in GiGland. By definition if GiG says it, it is true. If she says it is not true, then by definition it is not true and there is nothing that can change that, no evidence in the world That is what truth means in GiGland.

This is what I have learned about truth in GiGland after 8.5 years of experiencing her guided discovery.

[supporttheunderdog]

Maybe I'll let your good friend Erolz66 tell you ....

What I can explain to supporttheunderdog , as if such was needed, is how 'credible sources' work in GiGland

In GiGland a credible source is defined by if it supports GiG or not. It is that simple. The is no other criteria. EU Commission says something she likes, by definition its credible. Says something she does not, by definition it is not. Pretty much the same with truth in GiGland. By definition if GiG says it, it is true. If she says it is not true, then by definition it is not true and there is nothing that can change that, no evidence in the world That is what truth means in GiGland.

This is what I have learned about truth in GiGland after 8.5 years of experiencing her guided discovery.

[supporttheunderdog]

Your vitriol is heating up!

Susan Sarandon was probably included because she raised the spotlight onto the international arena as so often Greece is forgotten or the victim of anti-Greek propaganda (such as yours). She documented the efforts of these people and pitched in to help. She represents the volunteers. So there's no harm in her being part of the collective (or do you prefer that Greece has no friends?).

As for the islanders, they were nominated by Eminent academics from the universities of Oxford, Princeton, Harvard, Cornell and Copenhagen.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... eace-prize

If you are now happy to accept press reports from the Guardian as being reliable perhaps you should read thishttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/greece-under-growing-pressure-to-stem-flow-of-refugees-and-migrants-into-eu

"Greece threatened with Schengen area expulsion"

Maybe I'll let your good friend Erolz66 tell you why that's a load of BOLLOCKS (his word) now that he has experienced a little guided discovery into finding the truth ....

And here is another Guardian Article which discuses not only the possibility Greece being excluded from Schengen, even if only on temprary badis but that if that were to come to pass it could lead to a Eurozone Grexit. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/refugee-crisis-schengen-area-scheme-brink-amsterdam-talks I pass this on as is, without responsibility for or endorsement of the content. The views expressed in that Guardian article are solely the views of the author of the cited article and not neccesarily my views.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Your vitriol is heating up!

Susan Sarandon was probably included because she raised the spotlight onto the international arena as so often Greece is forgotten or the victim of anti-Greek propaganda (such as yours). She documented the efforts of these people and pitched in to help. She represents the volunteers. So there's no harm in her being part of the collective (or do you prefer that Greece has no friends?).

As for the islanders, they were nominated by Eminent academics from the universities of Oxford, Princeton, Harvard, Cornell and Copenhagen.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... eace-prize

If you are now happy to accept press reports from the Guardian as being reliable perhaps you should read thishttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/greece-under-growing-pressure-to-stem-flow-of-refugees-and-migrants-into-eu

"Greece threatened with Schengen area expulsion"

Maybe I'll let your good friend Erolz66 tell you why that's a load of BOLLOCKS (his word) now that he has experienced a little guided discovery into finding the truth ....

And here is another Guardian Article which discuses not only the possibility Greece being excluded from Schengen, even if only on temprary badis but that if that were to come to pass it could lead to a Eurozone Grexit. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/refugee-crisis-schengen-area-scheme-brink-amsterdam-talks I pass this on as is, without responsibility for or endorsement of the content. The views expressed in that Guardian article are solely the views of the author of the cited article and not neccesarily my views.

Never mind the Guardian, troll.

It's a shame erolz66 didn't pass on what he had learnt after a week of trawling for that quote in which he lied. If you carry on like this you'll simply be revealing your own stupidity, as did erolz66.

Read the actual Schengen policies/powers, for a start.

[supporttheunderdog]

Your vitriol is heating up!

Susan Sarandon was probably included because she raised the spotlight onto the international arena as so often Greece is forgotten or the victim of anti-Greek propaganda (such as yours). She documented the efforts of these people and pitched in to help. She represents the volunteers. So there's no harm in her being part of the collective (or do you prefer that Greece has no friends?).

As for the islanders, they were nominated by Eminent academics from the universities of Oxford, Princeton, Harvard, Cornell and Copenhagen.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... eace-prize

If you are now happy to accept press reports from the Guardian as being reliable perhaps you should read thishttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/greece-under-growing-pressure-to-stem-flow-of-refugees-and-migrants-into-eu

"Greece threatened with Schengen area expulsion"

Maybe I'll let your good friend Erolz66 tell you why that's a load of BOLLOCKS (his word) now that he has experienced a little guided discovery into finding the truth ....

And here is another Guardian Article which discuses not only the possibility Greece being excluded from Schengen, even if only on temprary badis but that if that were to come to pass it could lead to a Eurozone Grexit. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/refugee-crisis-schengen-area-scheme-brink-amsterdam-talks I pass this on as is, without responsibility for or endorsement of the content. The views expressed in that Guardian article are solely the views of the author of the cited article and not neccesarily my views.

Never mind the Guardian, troll.

It's a shame erolz66 didn't pass on what he had learnt after a week of trawling for that quote in which he lied. If you carry on like this you'll simply be revealing your own stupidity, as did erolz66.

Read the actual Schengen policies/powers, for a start.

You mean these http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1414687415278&uri=CELEX:02006R0562-20131126.? Art 19 and Art 26 Are the ones to read, which clearly set out members can be compelled to implement full border checks in some circumstances.

Thse are the articles mentioned in the official EU press report. It is very clear powers exist to suspend application of Schengen arrangements, ie borderless travel between signatory states, if a country is in serious violation of the requirements for monitoring external borders, as the Comission has found in the case of Greece.

[erolz66]

Never mind the Guardian, troll.

It's a shame erolz66 didn't pass on what he had learnt after a week of trawling for that quote in which he lied. If you carry on like this you'll simply be revealing your own stupidity, as did erolz66.

I have learnt much from trying to have a rational discussion with GiG here, not just in the last week but over the many many year. Some examples of the of things I have learnt is

GiGland

you are a liar

Real world translation

You are using rational argument to expose my lies

GiGland

you are stupid

Real world translation

You are using rational argument to expose my stupidity

just as in GiGland

"Greece is NOT Failing ANY obligations!"

in the real world

Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.

It is all the same thing. In GiGland, by definition in that land, GiG is always right, GiG is always cleverer, GiG is always the one behaving with integrity, with honesty, with sincerity.

meanwhile back in the real world ......

[GreekIslandGirl]

It must be soooooo frustrating for you to have found out so late that Greece is NOT going to be thrown out of Schengen that you can only keep joining in with the rabid dogs that have lost their marbles and rant the same tired useless stuff....

yawn!

[supporttheunderdog]

I rather thought there was rabid bitch who is in denial that Greece is in serious violation of Schengen obligations, that in consequence Greece is required to implement remedial measures, under article 19(b) and if within three months she is found to have failed, it is open to the Commission to take steps suspend the application of Schengen to Greece, whereby full border checks must be implemented for all travellers to or from Greece, whether from outside the Schengen zone or from within it, under article 26.

Some rabid sections of the press, including the Guardian, who you have relied upon in support of your pov about Greece, may have overblown the consequences in badly written items, , but if we cannot trust the Guardian to have got it right on the consequences of the reported serious violations, can we trust them on any thing else?

[erolz66]

It must be soooooo frustrating for you to have found out so late that Greece is NOT going to be thrown out of Schengen ....

Where as back in the real world, I never said that Greece is going to be thrown out of Schengen. Never even said it was going to be suspended from Schengen.