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[Sotos]

Everywhere I read akinci seems to be the only hope

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/med-so ... rus-313971

Akinci desires, as Eroglu does not, a reunited federal Cyprus within the EU. Akinci accepts that the Annan Plan is over. He will fight for the interests of Turkish Cypriots against an eventual annexation by Ankara. He knows that a formal partition of the island would leave the Turkish mini-state unviable. Born in southern Limassol, Mustafa Akinci is a liberal patriot for all Cyprus. He deserves success at home and widespread recognition abroad. As the new leader of the Turkish Cypriots he will need the determined backing of the EU, the US and UN (including Russia) to forge a quick and durable settlement with Republic of Cyprus President Anastasiades, who also supported the Annan Plan. Cyprus might well be about to deliver some rare good news for Europe and the world.

So many positive views about him can't be wrong!

Same was said about Talat. For a solution to be acceptable to the majority it has to be vastly better than the Annan plan. I don't see this happening no matter who is the TC leader... not just because of Turkey but because the TCs themselves expect that the "solution" will be similar to Annan plan which can not be the case.

[Pyrpolizer]

Everywhere I read akinci seems to be the only hope

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/med-so ... rus-313971

Akinci desires, as Eroglu does not, a reunited federal Cyprus within the EU. Akinci accepts that the Annan Plan is over. He will fight for the interests of Turkish Cypriots against an eventual annexation by Ankara. He knows that a formal partition of the island would leave the Turkish mini-state unviable. Born in southern Limassol, Mustafa Akinci is a liberal patriot for all Cyprus. He deserves success at home and widespread recognition abroad. As the new leader of the Turkish Cypriots he will need the determined backing of the EU, the US and UN (including Russia) to forge a quick and durable settlement with Republic of Cyprus President Anastasiades, who also supported the Annan Plan. Cyprus might well be about to deliver some rare good news for Europe and the world.

So many positive views about him can't be wrong!

Same was said about Talat. For a solution to be acceptable to the majority it has to be vastly better than the Annan plan. I don't see this happening no matter who is the TC leader... not just because of Turkey but because the TCs themselves expect that the "solution" will be similar to Annan plan which can not be the case.

It depends how you define "vastly better". All you have to do to define it is just look how many votes the Anan Plan got from the Varoshiotes.

[Sotos]

Everywhere I read akinci seems to be the only hope

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/med-so ... rus-313971

Akinci desires, as Eroglu does not, a reunited federal Cyprus within the EU. Akinci accepts that the Annan Plan is over. He will fight for the interests of Turkish Cypriots against an eventual annexation by Ankara. He knows that a formal partition of the island would leave the Turkish mini-state unviable. Born in southern Limassol, Mustafa Akinci is a liberal patriot for all Cyprus. He deserves success at home and widespread recognition abroad. As the new leader of the Turkish Cypriots he will need the determined backing of the EU, the US and UN (including Russia) to forge a quick and durable settlement with Republic of Cyprus President Anastasiades, who also supported the Annan Plan. Cyprus might well be about to deliver some rare good news for Europe and the world.

So many positive views about him can't be wrong!

Same was said about Talat. For a solution to be acceptable to the majority it has to be vastly better than the Annan plan. I don't see this happening no matter who is the TC leader... not just because of Turkey but because the TCs themselves expect that the "solution" will be similar to Annan plan which can not be the case.

It depends how you define "vastly better". All you have to do to define it is just look how many votes the Anan Plan got from the Varoshiotes.

How many votes it got? In any case Varoshiotes alone can not make a plan pass even if the 100% of them vote in its favor. Vastly better for me means that for the majority of the population what we would give up would be clearly less than what we would gain. Personally I wouldn't vote for a plan that would put at risk the security of my family and the stability of our country just so that a portion of the refugees would get their land back. Some seem to think that even the most convoluted solution will work just because we are in EU ... which is bullshit.

[Pyrpolizer]

How many votes it got? In any case Varoshiotes alone can not make a plan pass even if the 100% of them vote in its favor. Vastly better for me means that for the majority of the population what we would give up would be clearly less than what we would gain. Personally I wouldn't vote for a plan that would put at risk the security of my family and the stability of our country just so that a portion of the refugees would get their land back. Some seem to think that even the most convoluted solution will work just because we are in EU ... which is bullshit.

It got the exact opposite from what the rest voted. Some +75%. This means property rights/return rights/being under GC admin, carries a lot of weight. Their negative votes should be based on issues of security, governing system, settlers etc. So along with the property issue the GCs have to be satisfied on these. Kind of hard for any plan that is near the Anan Plan to ever get a yes from the GCs, but I think there are chances for a different plan for something around 52%+
Notice that the Anan Plan got only 60% from the "TCs"=TCS+settlers. Not easy to get down some 8% while the GCs get up by some 26%.
Too improbable, but we will see.

[Bananiot]

Usual nationalists exhibiting their fascist nature. Talk to you again next year.

[Pyrpolizer]

How many votes it got? In any case Varoshiotes alone can not make a plan pass even if the 100% of them vote in its favor. Vastly better for me means that for the majority of the population what we would give up would be clearly less than what we would gain. Personally I wouldn't vote for a plan that would put at risk the security of my family and the stability of our country just so that a portion of the refugees would get their land back. Some seem to think that even the most convoluted solution will work just because we are in EU ... which is bullshit.

Actually this thinking is totally wrong. You just assume there is stability in the country, and you just assume the whatever degree of security you have. The reality is the whole economic system could collapse ANY minute. All the Banks are deep in dept, they work on loss and they pay their employees and high positioned from people's deposits.BOC even dared announce cooked "profits" this year while Hoorigan is abandoning it real soon. Security? Turkey is threatening constantly, what do you think will happen if negotiations don't move forward really fast? Will they ever let us take the gas out without a solution? Or you think the Israelis will protect us?
Have you ever thought what could happen if we turn down a new plan?
Imo all GCs should evaluate very seriously not only what they will get from a new plan (compared to what they will give) but also what they may loose from what they now take for granted.
May I remind you that one major argument against the Anan Plan was that we should be stupid to vote it 4 days before entering the EU, in which we would get the "super plan". Well, you said it yourself the EU proved bullshit.
I heard no-one saying it in 2004 though
It's nice to draw safe arguments for past misleads. The tough part is to be smart enough to foresee them before they prove themselves.

[GreekIslandGirl]

President of ethnic annihilation? President of Genocide of Greeks? President of historical revisionism?

Great!

Someone to stand up with accountability for crimes against humanity!

[repulsewarrior]

Akıncı said he will return Maras, which lies within the borders of Turkish Cyprus and is under UN administration but is closed to any settlement by either Turkish Cypriots or Greek Cypriots, to its legal owners.

http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_kk ... 78790.html

...what do you think of that?

[Sotos]

How many votes it got? In any case Varoshiotes alone can not make a plan pass even if the 100% of them vote in its favor. Vastly better for me means that for the majority of the population what we would give up would be clearly less than what we would gain. Personally I wouldn't vote for a plan that would put at risk the security of my family and the stability of our country just so that a portion of the refugees would get their land back. Some seem to think that even the most convoluted solution will work just because we are in EU ... which is bullshit.

Actually this thinking is totally wrong. You just assume there is stability in the country, and you just assume the whatever degree of security you have. The reality is the whole economic system could collapse ANY minute. All the Banks are deep in dept, they work on loss and they pay their employees and high positioned from people's deposits.BOC even dared announce cooked "profits" this year while Hoorigan is abandoning it real soon. Security? Turkey is threatening constantly, what do you think will happen if negotiations don't move forward really fast? Will they ever let us take the gas out without a solution? Or you think the Israelis will protect us?
Have you ever thought what could happen if we turn down a new plan?
Imo all GCs should evaluate very seriously not only what they will get from a new plan (compared to what they will give) but also what they may loose from what they now take for granted.
May I remind you that one major argument against the Anan Plan was that we should be stupid to vote it 4 days before entering the EU, in which we would get the "super plan". Well, you said it yourself the EU proved bullshit.
I heard no-one saying it in 2004 though
It's nice to draw safe arguments for past misleads. The tough part is to be smart enough to foresee them before they prove themselves.

The economy problems today are an unrelated issue. A bad solution will just make those problems worst and will also create new problems like political instability and loss of security. As far as gas goes we can't lose something we never had. The question is how much we can gain from the gas. You think that with an Annan plan type solution Turkey will stop being interested in our gas?? They will take whatever they want using the TCs and we will not be able to even fight for our rights because we would be downgraded to just a community. Personally I will never vote for any plan which will downgrade us from a state to just a community. Either "us" will be all of us together (GCs and TCs) one person one vote, or if there is separation then GCs as the native majority should rule Cyprus and the TCs can have autonomy over a region. I will not vote for anything less than that because it would be worst for us than any other kind of partition.

[Lordo]

the tcs living in guzelyurt also voted for annan plan in 2004 even though they knew they would have to leave their homes. dont expect them to vote again to give guzelyurt back.