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[Nikitas]

So we are heading to a situation where:

there is not restoration of property

the community that owned 12 per cent of the land will get 27 per cent

the land left in the south by this community is not enough to offer an acreage swap for those that lost land in the north

the plan singles out one community among the SIX on the island to grant them a proportion of the territory that is 50 per cent per capita above their population proportion.

And you expect a yes vote for this in a plebiscite?

[Paphitis]

So we are heading to a situation where:

there is not restoration of property

the community that owned 12 per cent of the land will get 27 per cent

the land left in the south by this community is not enough to offer an acreage swap for those that lost land in the north

the plan singles out one community among the SIX on the island to grant them a proportion of the territory that is 50 per cent per capita above their population proportion.

And you expect a yes vote for this in a plebiscite?

Do we actually expect such a plebiscite even?

[Lordo]

So we are heading to a situation where:

there is not restoration of property

the community that owned 12 per cent of the land will get 27 per cent

the land left in the south by this community is not enough to offer an acreage swap for those that lost land in the north

the plan singles out one community among the SIX on the island to grant them a proportion of the territory that is 50 per cent per capita above their population proportion.

And you expect a yes vote for this in a plebiscite?

according to your figures like hell. i told you it will not be long lets see what they agree upon. let the gcs vote against it one more time.

[Paphitis]

So we are heading to a situation where:

there is not restoration of property

the community that owned 12 per cent of the land will get 27 per cent

the land left in the south by this community is not enough to offer an acreage swap for those that lost land in the north

the plan singles out one community among the SIX on the island to grant them a proportion of the territory that is 50 per cent per capita above their population proportion.

And you expect a yes vote for this in a plebiscite?

according to your figures like hell. i told you it will not be long lets see what they agree upon. let the gcs vote against it one more time.

Who said they have to agree to anything? If we don't like, we no agree Fucken!

[kurupetos]

So we are heading to a situation where:

there is not restoration of property

the community that owned 12 per cent of the land will get 27 per cent

the land left in the south by this community is not enough to offer an acreage swap for those that lost land in the north

the plan singles out one community among the SIX on the island to grant them a proportion of the territory that is 50 per cent per capita above their population proportion.

And you expect a yes vote for this in a plebiscite?

according to your figures like hell. i told you it will not be long lets see what they agree upon. let the gcs vote against it one more time.

I will vote for freedom to Lurucina.

[Pyrpolizer]

Hold on for a minute guys.
Assuming the TC Fed State will be 25% of Cyprus this doesn't mean the TCs will from one day to another acquire 25% of the PRIVATELY own lands of Cyprus.
As you can see from the previous table about 1/4 of Cyprus is State land.
So out of that 25% about 1/4 will still be state land. So what's left, is 19% for privately owned lands. If all the TC land in the free areas gets fully exchanged then eventually the TC Fed State we will consist of about 6% State, 12% TC Privately owned and 7% GC Privately owned. (Percentages with reference to 100%- as the total of Cyprus)

[Lordo]

no body said anything about having a pure tc state. there will be gc in the north too. you are still not getting the gist of it yet. just be patient and you will see. i say 27 percent.

lets run a book on it and see who gets closer to it.

[Pyrpolizer]

no body said anything about having a pure tc state. there will be gc in the north too. you are still not getting the gist of it yet. just be patient and you will see. i say 27 percent.

lets run a book on it and see who gets closer to it.

Aha!
25%--> about 6% State, 12% TC Privately owned and 7% GC Privately owned.
27% --> about 7% State, 12% TC Privately owned and 8% GC Privately owned.
18% --> about 4.5% State, 12% TC Privately owned and 1.5% GC Privately owned.

See lordo the more the % the more "Rumlar" you will have among you. I know that won't be a problem fr you but it might be for VP so VP might be more inclined to the 18%

Now I am not saying that 8% GCs will return anytime soon, just that 8% of the privately owned lands will still be theirs.
However imagine in 2-3 generations returning and starting business etc, you will end up having a 40% minority among you. They might even elect a President if they get united

So imo if you want a BBF that will never get bastardized you should go towards the 18%. If you want a BBF with high chance to get eroded then you go for a higher percentage. Just my opinion.

[Lordo]

your assumtions are all wrong pypro

you are equating a donum of land in karpaz to a donum of land in limasol. no chance. tc properties in larnaca limasol and baf far outweigh gc properties in the north. this is not going to be worked out donum by donum, it will be worked out euro by euro. so far any exchange that has happened has been worked out on price per location basis and not donums. in the nazif case there was under 30 donums of larnaca land exchnaged for 600 donums of gc land west of nicosia. dont make such childish assumptions. it is the value that counts and even if the values in the groc are depressed they are between 5 and 10 times higher than the north. you will not get away with donum by donum exchange.

they knew this situation from the start which is why there are not worried about settlers. there is enough land for tcs to have even 37 percent if it was done correctly. the settlers will be accomodated on tc lands. the tcs in the north have not received properties equivalent to what they had in the south. the problem is that what ever they have been given they were made to sign away all their property in the south. in a round about way the northern federal state will accommodate the settlers from the difference. if the tcs accept 27 percent all that means is not all tc lands in the south will be exchanged and will remain in the northenr federal state hands until such time as they decide to sell. of course this does not include those who refused to exchange, their land is in private ownership of groc and will have to be returned to them with rent since 63 fro some and 74 for others.

private percentage land ownership has no bearing on the size of the territory. in the past the tcs were offered 25 percent and dengtash refused and wanted 29 percent.

i do not understand why you make such assumtions when so far not a single exchange has taken place on donum for donum bases and have all be done on price per donum basis. it is not even one price per deonum in the north. the location of the land in the north also makes a difference to the value. this aint child play baby. come on it is time to wake up.

[Pyrpolizer]

your assumtions are all wrong pypro

you are equating a donum of land in karpaz to a donum of land in limasol. no chance. tc properties in larnaca limasol and baf far outweigh gc properties in the north. this is not going to be worked out donum by donum, it will be worked out euro by euro. so far any exchange that has happened has been worked out on price per location basis and not donums. in the nazif case there was under 30 donums of larnaca land exchnaged for 600 donums of gc land west of nicosia. dont make such childish assumptions. it is the value that counts and even if the values in the groc are depressed they are between 5 and 10 times higher than the north. you will not get away with donum by donum exchange.

they knew this situation from the start which is why there are not worried about settlers. there is enough land for tcs to have even 37 percent if it was done correctly. the settlers will be accomodated on tc lands. the tcs in the north have not received properties equivalent to what they had in the south. the problem is that what ever they have been given they were made to sign away all their property in the south. in a round about way the northern federal state will accommodate the settlers from the difference. if the tcs accept 27 percent all that means is not all tc lands in the south will be exchanged and will remain in the northenr federal state hands until such time as they decide to sell. of course this does not include those who refused to exchange, their land is in private ownership of groc and will have to be returned to them with rent since 63 fro some and 74 for others.

private percentage land ownership has no bearing on the size of the territory. in the past the tcs were offered 25 percent and dengtash refused and wanted 29 percent.

i do not understand why you make such assumtions when so far not a single exchange has taken place on donum for donum bases and have all be done on price per donum basis. it is not even one price per deonum in the north. the location of the land in the north also makes a difference to the value. this aint child play baby. come on it is time to wake up.

Ahhhh, how would you understand?
I made those assumptions just to cheer you up. Because if I were to tell you the truth you would cry.

You are absolutely right, the exchange will not be done on a donum to donum basis,but on the basis of value.
So where did you err Lordo mou?
You erred on the fact that the value will not be today's value but the value of 1974. Even the stupid Anan Plan cared to have this clause very clear.
And because I have studied the Anan Plan in almost every detail (and I don't mean only those 178 pages you all have read and understood nothing- but also part of the other 20,000 pages that deal with the specifics) please allow me to burst your bubble with REAL DATA that i collected from the Anan plan time:


The properties that the Gcs left behind in 1974 were 5 time more in a donum-by donum basis
The value of those properties in 1974 was 20 times more than the value of the properties the Tcs have left behind. This means on the average each donum of GC land in the occupied worth 4 times more than each donum the Tcs left behind.
And on top of it the total donums they left behind was 5 times more.

Now that I have set you the record straight, please accept my condolences.