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[Lordo]

The chain of meetings is telling, Akinci will first meet with Erdo and then with Anastassiadis.

Presumably he will first agree the joint TC-Turkish stance which he will present to the GCs, and thus define them as the opposition.

Another choice could have been to meet with Anastassiadis first and then go meet Erdo and present him with the Cypriot positions and thus define Turkey as the outsider.

As for Famagusta, as a "military area" under the control of the Turkish army cannot be the object of bargaining by the TCs.

Greece yesterday, via its Foreign Minister said it is not interested in maintaining its guarantor status in a future settlement. Turkey is insistent on this, it prefers to deal with the other guarantors rather than Cypriots when it comes to the Cyprob.

Britain is keeping quiet on the subject.

We talk about our future and take ourselves seriously when the major military power in the area openly and cynically ignores not just the GCs but all communities on the island by calling for negotiations on our future with states that clashed with and killed Cypriots. Not in ancient times but within living memory.

I am eager to see how Akinci will manouver in this scene.

was that not exactly what anastadiaes did when he won. did he not go to your mother country first. in fact was he no there just before the elections too. how naive are you.

there is a spark of peace offered and all you want to do is put it out with water. wtf is the matter with you people.

[Jerry]

As a "mushroom" I would like to know how the patriots would solve the Cyprus problem - and please don't waste your time telling us what SHOULD happen - we all know that. We can only reach a solution by talking to the other side - unless you want to go to war with Turkey of course. This is the best opportunity we may ever have to resolve the problem, we thought being in the EU would help, it hasn't because Turkey itself is distancing itself from the club. If we made the right moves we may be able to drive a wedge between the TCs and Turkey causing Turkey rather than the Cypriots to get the blame for failure of negotiations.

so you really dont want peace. you want the negotiations to fail and terggy to get the blame. and i had you down for an average charlui. average at being an ass may be. perhaps not even that.

Of course I want peace, you do have very limited powers of comprehension don't you. I would like the negotiations to succeed but like others I have doubts about the chances of a breakthrough because of Erdogan's attitude. The Greek Cypriots always get the blame for failed talks as in Annan Plan. Let both sides negotiate in good faith, let the world see that it is the Turkish spanner in the works that brings failure rather than the Cypriots. Perhaps then the the West, EU, UN, Nato and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all will put serious pressure on Turkey to back off.

is it no obvious why they got the blame for annan failure as well as all the others. it was because your president negotiated a settlement and then did not support it. you have said no to every single plan that has been proposed. if that is not your fault then whos fault is it charlui. here is nothing wrong with my comprehension, just read what you wrote one more time perhaps this time you will understand what you wrote.

Now look here you charlui donkey instead of making things up face the simple fact that Denktash effectively scuppered any chance of a solution whilst he was Sultan of the North because he insisted on recognition before he would enter into serious negotiations with the Greek Cypriots. It's on record, Waldheim actually said he was the greatest obstacle to a solution in the early days, and more recently who abandoned the talks when Cyprus held EU presidency. Stop trying to prove that you are an idiot - we already know it.

[Sotos]

That can be the case because I love my wife. Turkey doesn't care about the TCs other than using them to get what she wants. The TCs know this. It is not "one way road". It is two way road, where Turkey gives to the TCs and TCs give back to Turkey. You are the one who expects it to be one way with Turkey to give to TCs whatever they want without taking anything back in return. It doesn't work that way.

Oh yes I forgot your constant fixation that they share the profits they gained on the expense of the GCs.
Now how come those gains are not even enough to finance their administration by 1b euros/year so that they would at least get financial independence from Turkey, only God knows.

They have gains of land but they have lost all recognition, they have no direct trade, no direct flights etc. So their loss is greater than their illegal gains, resulting in a net loss. You don't need to be God to understand this. Just somebody with a brain What they want is to keep most of their gains (land), zero their losses (direct flights, trade, recognition) and gain even more (big share in gas). They can do this only together with Turkey since they don't have the power to steal from us on their own. And of course in return Turkey gets a big part of the profits. Start using your brain Pyro.

[Sotos]

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[Sotos]

was that not exactly what anastadiaes did when he won. did he not go to your mother country first. in fact was he no there just before the elections too. how naive are you.

there is a spark of peace offered and all you want to do is put it out with water. wtf is the matter with you people.

Anastasiades does not PRETEND to be in disagreement with Greece on anything. The relationship between Cyprus and Greece is the opposite of that between the pseudo state and Turkey. We decide the policy and Greece supports it. In your case Turkey decides.

[repulsewarrior]

...all this is true, so i am hopeful.

[Maximus]

Here is my prediction, and I hope I am wrong.

Akinci will be assassinated or be involved in a fatal accident, sooner rather than later.

You place too much faith in the TCs and their ability to change things. Only about 70k TCs and 150k voting Turks. You decide you has the power. Seems very obvious to me.

You too like Maximus should learn to get your data right

http://in-cyprus.com/northern-cyprus-de ... is-voting/

Even with those numbers, this article is saying that there are 190k eligible voters in the north. The republic of Cyprus's record for the same time says that there were 92k eligible TC's to vote in EU elections. 190k - 92k = 98K settlers eligible to vote, which is greater than the total eligible TC vote. This was 4 years ago.

If we consider that we are assuming that all the TC's voted for Akinci and all the settlers voted, the TC could not elect him by themselves. If we assume that it is more likely that they all did not vote for Akinci, then some of the settlers did. In other words, the TC could not give him 60% of the vote by themselves. Its unrealistic to think so unless we make some other assumptions, like, many settlers did not turn out to vote and all the TC voted for Akinci.

This is a minor point, I am more concerned about what they voted him in for. His policy on the CY prob. Which you don't want to educate me about even though you are feeling so hopeful about him.

[Pyrpolizer]

That can be the case because I love my wife. Turkey doesn't care about the TCs other than using them to get what she wants. The TCs know this. It is not "one way road". It is two way road, where Turkey gives to the TCs and TCs give back to Turkey. You are the one who expects it to be one way with Turkey to give to TCs whatever they want without taking anything back in return. It doesn't work that way.

Oh yes I forgot your constant fixation that they share the profits they gained on the expense of the GCs.
Now how come those gains are not even enough to finance their administration by 1b euros/year so that they would at least get financial independence from Turkey, only God knows.

They have gains of land but they have lost all recognition, they have no direct trade, no direct flights etc. So their loss is greater than their illegal gains, resulting in a net loss. You don't need to be God to understand this. Just somebody with a brain What they want is to keep most of their gains (land), zero their losses (direct flights, trade, recognition) and gain even more (big share in gas). They can do this only together with Turkey since they don't have the power to steal from us on their own. And of course in return Turkey gets a big part of the profits. Start using your brain Pyro.

I am glad you admit so far they are on nett loss. So your theory that so far they used the guarantees blah blah, to gain on our loss blah blah flies out of the window.
Now whether they will brake even with direct trade or even direct flights is very very questionable.
Recognition or gas shares?? They already know they will never get without a solution. However with a solution we all win.
So what's your problem?

[bill cobbett]

Hot news... !!!

InCY reporting that Mr Akinci, the newly chosen Spokesperson for the CYs living directly under the Occupation, wants to deal with the matter of Occupied Varosi within a wider CBM package ...

"... “We will … seek an agreement whereby the closed area of Varosha is opened under UN auspices while at the same time relieving the bottleneck in trade and tourism by opening Famagusta port to direct trade, and Ercan Airport to direct flights,” Akinci said in his inauguration speech. ... "

http://in-cyprus.com/akinci-favours-var ... m-package/

[Maximus]

That can be the case because I love my wife. Turkey doesn't care about the TCs other than using them to get what she wants. The TCs know this. It is not "one way road". It is two way road, where Turkey gives to the TCs and TCs give back to Turkey. You are the one who expects it to be one way with Turkey to give to TCs whatever they want without taking anything back in return. It doesn't work that way.

Oh yes I forgot your constant fixation that they share the profits they gained on the expense of the GCs.
Now how come those gains are not even enough to finance their administration by 1b euros/year so that they would at least get financial independence from Turkey, only God knows.

They have gains of land but they have lost all recognition, they have no direct trade, no direct flights etc. So their loss is greater than their illegal gains, resulting in a net loss. You don't need to be God to understand this. Just somebody with a brain What they want is to keep most of their gains (land), zero their losses (direct flights, trade, recognition) and gain even more (big share in gas). They can do this only together with Turkey since they don't have the power to steal from us on their own. And of course in return Turkey gets a big part of the profits. Start using your brain Pyro.

I am glad you admit so far they are on nett loss. So your theory that so far they used the guarantees blah blah, to gain on our loss blah blah flies out of the window.
Now whether they will brake even with direct trade or even direct flights is very very questionable.
Recognition or gas shares?? They already know they will never get without a solution. However with a solution we all win.
So what's your problem?

Will they make an extra $500m a year? very easily I think. Then they will break even. Everything that was looted will indirectly appreciate in value too. If you think it is hard to solve the CY problem now that there is an embargo, it will get even harder with direct trade to the north.