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[Sotos]

Jerry, I don't disagree with you. But I disagree with the level of optimism that some have.

If we made the right moves we may be able to drive a wedge between the TCs and Turkey causing Turkey rather than the Cypriots to get the blame for failure of negotiations.

That would be great. But do you think they are stupid? That would not be to the interests of either Turkey or the TCs, because if that happens Turkey would be revealed as being the one preventing a solution and TCs would be revealed as being irrelevant and having no power to negotiate since all shots are called by Turkey. So why would they act in a way that would allow us to drive a wedge in their partnership of crime against Cyprus? Personally I think they are criminal thieves but I don't think they are stupid.

[Paphitis]

Rats and snakes are innocent animals... much better than the criminal Turkish thieves who are occupying our homes in the other parts of occupied Cyprus. So the question remains: Does he want to end the occupation of Varosha... or does he want to open it under Turkish occupation?

Is that what they mean by opening up Varosha - allowing GCs to live under Turkish Occupation?

That is completely unacceptable.

[Sotos]

Rats and snakes are innocent animals... much better than the criminal Turkish thieves who are occupying our homes in the other parts of occupied Cyprus. So the question remains: Does he want to end the occupation of Varosha... or does he want to open it under Turkish occupation?

Is that what they mean by opening up Varosha - allowing GCs to live under Turkish Occupation?

That is completely unacceptable.

I have no clue what they mean... but they are certainly not clear about it. We will never know until they make a specific proposal.

[Pyrpolizer]

Did Akinci ever said that Varosha should stop being occupied and that they should be returned to RoC without getting anything in return? 1Some years we made a very specific proposal that included Varosha... does he at least accept that? Because "opening Varosha" means nothing. It could mean to open them as part of his pseudo state that any GC refugees that want to return there would live under Turkish occupation and directly or indirectly recognize the pseudo. Anybody has his clear position on this... or are you all make assumptions about what exactly he means?

What reason does Akinci have to become Turkey's puppet?

Are you serious? His whole pseudo state depends 100% on Turkey.2 There wouldn't even be any "trnc" without Turkey. There is no "middle way" for him. He is either on Turkey's side against us, or he is on our side against Turkey. Take the case of Varosha... if Turkey does not agree to give it back then we are not getting it back no matter what Akinci says. What is he going to do next? 3 He will say that Turkey is occupying Varosha even though he wants to give it back? That would totally expose Turkey and her whole argument that she acts on behalf of the TCs and he will make himself and the TCs irrelevant. Why should we negotiate with Akinci and the TCs when they can't take any decision? He will never go against Turkey in this way, trust me.

1)Yes. Under the UN actually
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/743ce7ba-edce ... z3YnQy8eMY

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Mr Akinci has aired the idea of returning Varosha to the internationally recognised government of Cyprus, which is under Greek Cypriot control, as an act of good faith to build momentum for a settlement.

https://vimeo.com/126078744
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... ence.html#

2)Lordo replied you very well on that

3) a striking 82% of the TC residents of Famagusta already signed their approval.That tells you nothing??

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One member of the Famagusta Initiative, Hulusi Kilim noted that a recent poll of Turkish Cypriot residents of Famagusta showed that 82% agreed with the proposal to return Varosha.

http://www.lgcnews.com/poll-shows-famag ... n-varosha/
If Turkey says no, then she will be the one to suffer the consequences

[Pyrpolizer]

Here is my prediction, and I hope I am wrong.

Akinci will be assassinated or be involved in a fatal accident, sooner rather than later.

You place too much faith in the TCs and their ability to change things. Only about 70k TCs and 150k voting Turks. You decide you has the power. Seems very obvious to me.

You too like Maximus should learn to get your data right

http://in-cyprus.com/northern-cyprus-de ... is-voting/

[Sotos]

1. So YOU say "under the UN", the article says "to the internationally recognised government of Cyprus". But can you quote me his exact words on this issue after he was elected? I think you will be greatly disappointed when their conditions and the small print are made public

2. Nobody replied to the fact the the pseudo state depends 100% on Turkey and that they are nothing without Turkey.

If Turkey says no, then she will be the one to suffer the consequences

And the TCs want to make Turkey suffer the consequences and prove that they have no power to take any decision themselves? Whatever! Wait some days and you will see. If they propose to return Varosha, that will demand other things which will amount to the indirect recognition and the upgrade of their pseudo state. Want a bet?

[Lordo]

first of all the tcs do not depend 100 percent on terggy. what ever percentage they do depend on terggy it is due to the dumb gc embargoes. grow up and seize the moment if you want peace or shut your big cake hole.

remove embargoes and see the tcs put up two fingers to terggy. it is not enough you have not got the guts to do it but you tie the tcs hands so they have a reduced chance of doing it. what kind of ahmak donkey are you .

[Pyrpolizer]

1. So YOU say "under the UN", the article says "to the internationally recognised government of Cyprus". But can you quote me his exact words on this issue after he was elected? I think you will be greatly disappointed when their conditions and the small print are made public

2. Nobody replied to the fact the the pseudo state depends 100% on Turkey and that they are nothing without Turkey.

If Turkey says no, then she will be the one to suffer the consequences

And the TCs want to make Turkey suffer the consequences and prove that they have no power to take any decision themselves? Whatever! Wait some days and you will see. If they propose to return Varosha, that will demand other things which will amount to the indirect recognition and the upgrade of their pseudo state. Want a bet?

lordo replied you here that the dependence you always brag about, is not one way, and there are ways for them to strike back,including the support they have from mainland Turkish liberals. Erdogan is not the only power in Turkey.
cyprus43537-220.html#p813389
Yes I' d bet the proposal will be miles away from what you think.

[Sotos]

The pseudo state depends on Turkey for its very EXISTENCE. If you can't see this obvious thing then whatever! And we have seen all the kinds of Turkish governments... there is no difference between them when it comes to Cyprus. I remember when some were saying how good Erdogan was and that he would take under control the army and the "deep state" and then Turkey would act differently

[B25]

This is the Turkish thinking on Cyprus

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/502402-- ... mhp-leader

I rest my case.

Time will tell, I will have my chance to tell these mushrooms, 'I told you so'.

bye bye