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[bill cobbett]

On the matter of Occupied Famagusta and Mr Akinci.

This is from the CF Archive...

(... which reminds us that back in 2013, Mr Akinci supported looking at Occupied Varosha as a separate issue.)

"... Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???
Postby Viewpoint » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:44 pm

Demonax wrote:
Another call for the return of Varosha to its legal owners...

Mustafa Akinci: Varosha must not be abandoned to dying anymore

Turkish Cypriot daily Havadis newspaper (26.08.13) reports that Mustafa Akinci, former “mayor” of the occupied part of Nicosia, “MP” and party chairman, has said that the occupied fenced city of Varosha must not be abandoned to dying anymore. In his first statements made after a long period of time, Akinci noted that the demand for opening the fenced Varosha should be examined and added that the door for the solution of the Cyprus problem could “open up” with this development.

Akinci went on and wondered: “Why we do not stop saying that Varosha is part of the comprehensive solution and evaluate it as a key which will open the door of the comprehensive solution?”

Akinci described as “striking” and “comprehensible” the results of the survey recently announced by the Initiative for Famagusta and noted that “people can see what is right”.

Recalling that when he was active in politics he was saying that “Varosha has become a place of snakes, centipedes and rats, but somehow it could not become a place of people”, Akinci added: “let it become a place of people, let a solution be produced, and let a step be taken on the issue of Varosha”.

He noted: “Varosha must not be abandoned to dying any more. 73% of the people of Famagusta want its opening. The Greek Cypriots would of course want this. It is not a wise thing to leave this issue hanging in the air for another 40 years. Varosha is at the same time a humanitarian issue. The Turkish Cypriots are experiencing the sorrow of living together with this. And think also the sorrow of those who have abandoned this place. Think also the business fields which will open here. Think the economic potential. There is an element that could be triggered from whichever point you look at it and we should go beyond the ordinary on this issue”.

Viewpoint wrote:
Can you remind us what support Mr Akinci got in the last elections? ..."

[B25]

Billy, doesn't matter what Akinci is saying, just look at what the Turkish PM is saying.

"Μην ανησυχείτε, όλα θα πάρουν το δρόμο τους" δήλωσε χαρακτηριστικά στην εφημερίδα Μιλλιέτ. Ο Τούρκος Πρωθυπουργός είπε μάλιστα ότι και όταν ο Μεχμέτ Αλί Ταλάτ ανέλαβε την εξουσία στο ψευδοκράτος, είχε γίνει το ίδιο, αλλά μετά πήραν όλα το δρόμο τους.

"Do not worry, everything will get on with it" he said in the newspaper Milliyet. Turkish Prime Minister said that even when Mehmet Ali Talat took office in TRNC, had done the same, but then they took all their way.

http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/ ... ai-o-talat

I'll let the mushrooms this side find excuses.

[Pyrpolizer]

Billy, doesn't matter what Akinci is saying, just look at what the Turkish PM is saying.

"Μην ανησυχείτε, όλα θα πάρουν το δρόμο τους" δήλωσε χαρακτηριστικά στην εφημερίδα Μιλλιέτ. Ο Τούρκος Πρωθυπουργός είπε μάλιστα ότι και όταν ο Μεχμέτ Αλί Ταλάτ ανέλαβε την εξουσία στο ψευδοκράτος, είχε γίνει το ίδιο, αλλά μετά πήραν όλα το δρόμο τους.

"Do not worry, everything will get on with it" he said in the newspaper Milliyet. Turkish Prime Minister said that even when Mehmet Ali Talat took office in TRNC, had done the same, but then they took all their way.

http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/ ... ai-o-talat

I'll let the mushrooms this side find excuses.

Once again this has to be judged by the will of the people. What was the will of the people behind Talat? It was we will vote "yes" and if they reject us we have every right to get recognition. Therefore Talat HAD TO become Turkey's puppet to try the recognition card.
What reason does Akinci have to become Turkey's puppet? If he finally yields to the Sultan, that would make him a traitor to his own people. I don't think he is that kind of character.

[Lordo]

you can take the donkey to the water comes to mind.

within 24 hours akinci has shown you what kind of leader he is and his effort are showing results. terggish liberals are backing him to the hilt. terggish any minister can do jack shit if the tcs dont want it. he has threatened to cut the money off. let him do it if he has the balls. instead of admiring a man that has stood up to the terggs which is something your leaders have not been able to do in 50 years you are bitching on like an old woman.

tcs will cope. they will have to increase trade with other countries or even perhaps the south. a lot of gcs will sympathise with what is going on and may be more keen to help buy buyimg from the north than the handful of fascists on this forum. we can also stop the cheap imports that have decimated the tc agriculture too.

let him start the fire and see who burns.

[B25]

Here is my prediction, and I hope I am wrong.

Akinci will be assassinated or be involved in a fatal accident, sooner rather than later.

You place too much faith in the TCs and their ability to change things. Only about 70k TCs and 150k voting Turks. You decide you has the power. Seems very obvious to me.

[Sotos]

Did Akinci ever said that Varosha should stop being occupied and that they should be returned to RoC without getting anything in return? Some years we made a very specific proposal that included Varosha... does he at least accept that? Because "opening Varosha" means nothing. It could mean to open them as part of his pseudo state that any GC refugees that want to return there would live under Turkish occupation and directly or indirectly recognize the pseudo. Anybody has his clear position on this... or are you all make assumptions about what exactly he means?

What reason does Akinci have to become Turkey's puppet?

Are you serious? His whole pseudo state depends 100% on Turkey. There wouldn't even be any "trnc" without Turkey. There is no "middle way" for him. He is either on Turkey's side against us, or he is on our side against Turkey. Take the case of Varosha... if Turkey does not agree to give it back then we are not getting it back no matter what Akinci says. What is he going to do next? He will say that Turkey is occupying Varosha even though he wants to give it back? That would totally expose Turkey and her whole argument that she acts on behalf of the TCs and he will make himself and the TCs irrelevant. Why should we negotiate with Akinci and the TCs when they can't take any decision? He will never go against Turkey in this way, trust me.

[B25]

Exactly, well said Soto.

[Lordo]

this is typical gc stupidity. there is a third side called tc side assholes. akinci has already said varosa should not be a home for rats and snakes. although little does he realise that he will let in a lot of decent gc into varosa but also some rats and snakes.

you time is up fanatics. down word slide into the abyss you have created. the gcs are also waking up from their nightmare.

[Jerry]

As a "mushroom" I would like to know how the patriots would solve the Cyprus problem - and please don't waste your time telling us what SHOULD happen - we all know that. We can only reach a solution by talking to the other side - unless you want to go to war with Turkey of course. This is the best opportunity we may ever have to resolve the problem, we thought being in the EU would help, it hasn't because Turkey itself is distancing itself from the club. If we made the right moves we may be able to drive a wedge between the TCs and Turkey causing Turkey rather than the Cypriots to get the blame for failure of negotiations.

[Sotos]

Rats and snakes are innocent animals... much better than the criminal Turkish thieves who are occupying our homes in the other parts of occupied Cyprus. So the question remains: Does he want to end the occupation of Varosha... or does he want to open it under Turkish occupation?