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[Lordo]

lets imagine that the gcs had some imagination and removed the embargoes decades ago in anticipation that if the tcs were economically self sufficient they would stand up to terggy. just imagine. and then realise stupidly beyond belief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8

[Nikitas]

Pyro said above

"No, that's your own fixation that you can't get over. At best they will need their guarantees, to be safe. Today's situation was not created by accident. It was created because we abused our own power on the first place.
I will vote for a plan if it is generally as I expect it to be."

Agreed about security guarantees, but why does that have to involve the permanent stationing of foreign troops on Cypriot soil? In the framework of communal and territorial separation, (the basis of BBF), with an armed police force under their direct command and participation in the federal forces what is the meaning of the 650 Turkish soldiers in Cyprus forever.

Modern military means allow the intervention by Turkey in minutes in case of a threat to the integrity of the TC region or community, making the 650 soldiers a militarily meaningless demand but a symbolically significant one.

Conversely the TC side must have some regard of GC security sensitivies. The Turkish army has killed more Cypriots in a few days than all conflicts Cypriots have been involved in during the whole of the 20th century. Insisting on a contingent of this army being permanently on the island is less than diplomatic towards people supposedly regarded as "equal".

I presume that the two motherland contingents will be guaranteeing the integrity of the distinct regions and not the state as a whole. If we are talking about the state as a whole it is a non starter and it would get my NO straight off.

[Maximus]

Today in the CY mail.

Greece is working for a solution to the Cyprus problem, the country’s foreign minister said on Wednesday, but guarantor powers were no longer required.

Speaking on the sidelines of a tripartite meeting between Cyprus, Greece, and Egypt, Nicos Kotzias said the Cyprus problem was a sensitive issue.

“Greece is working and supports a solution to the Cyprus problem, a fair solution,” he said, adding that Greece is a guarantor power according to the (1960) Zurich Treaty and played this role as much as it could, but guarantor powers were no longer required.

Greece, Turkey, and Great Britain are all guarantor powers under the Zurich agreement.

Kotzias reiterated that if Turkey was in a hurry for a solution, then “she should hurry up and leave the island and end the occupation. This is the substance of the Cyprus problem”.

[Maximus]

There can't be. ERCAN can't operate unless it goes under the ICAO endorsed auspices of the Civil Aviation Department of the RoC.

Simply put, there is no legal mechanism for it.

I never said anything about Ercan. It's Maximus that insists incorrectly that presumambly Akinci's thesis was for Voroshia+ercan. Why are you replying to ME???

Stressing that the Varosha issue, trade from Mağusa Port and direct flights from Ercan Airport should be discussed as a package at the negotiation table, Akıncı said that he will discuss these issues with his collocutor. Adding that they will not forget a comprehensive solution supported by confidence building measures.

From their online media.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro said above

"No, that's your own fixation that you can't get over. At best they will need their guarantees, to be safe. Today's situation was not created by accident. It was created because we abused our own power on the first place.
I will vote for a plan if it is generally as I expect it to be."

Agreed about security guarantees, but why does that have to involve the permanent stationing of foreign troops on Cypriot soil? In the framework of communal and territorial separation, (the basis of BBF), with an armed police force under their direct command and participation in the federal forces what is the meaning of the 650 Turkish soldiers in Cyprus forever.

Modern military means allow the intervention by Turkey in minutes in case of a threat to the integrity of the TC region or community, making the 650 soldiers a militarily meaningless demand but a symbolically significant one.

Conversely the TC side must have some regard of GC security sensitivies. The Turkish army has killed more Cypriots in a few days than all conflicts Cypriots have been involved in during the whole of the 20th century. Insisting on a contingent of this army being permanently on the island is less than diplomatic towards people supposedly regarded as "equal".

I presume that the two motherland contingents will be guaranteeing the integrity of the distinct regions and not the state as a whole. If we are talking about the state as a whole it is a non starter and it would get my NO straight off.

Oh be sure it would get my no as well if that were the case. Furthermore i would feel very insulted/embarrassed to have a new state whose 2 Feds would be under separate Guarantees for eternity. That has to do with my pride as a citizen of a Fed State.I think i did mentioned that before...
Hence I would go one step further from you and wish that -IF_ there will be any Guarantees then the people of Cyprus should have the right to abolish them with simultaneous referenda, that would be held every 3 years. This implies the gurantors will not have any say on thi,imean is would be upto us the people of Cyprus to tell the hade, assiktir, thanks and goodbye

[Sotos]

Pyro said above

"No, that's your own fixation that you can't get over. At best they will need their guarantees, to be safe. Today's situation was not created by accident. It was created because we abused our own power on the first place.
I will vote for a plan if it is generally as I expect it to be."

Agreed about security guarantees, but why does that have to involve the permanent stationing of foreign troops on Cypriot soil? In the framework of communal and territorial separation, (the basis of BBF), with an armed police force under their direct command and participation in the federal forces what is the meaning of the 650 Turkish soldiers in Cyprus forever.

Modern military means allow the intervention by Turkey in minutes in case of a threat to the integrity of the TC region or community, making the 650 soldiers a militarily meaningless demand but a symbolically significant one.

Conversely the TC side must have some regard of GC security sensitivies. The Turkish army has killed more Cypriots in a few days than all conflicts Cypriots have been involved in during the whole of the 20th century. Insisting on a contingent of this army being permanently on the island is less than diplomatic towards people supposedly regarded as "equal".

I presume that the two motherland contingents will be guaranteeing the integrity of the distinct regions and not the state as a whole. If we are talking about the state as a whole it is a non starter and it would get my NO straight off.

So if they didn't station 650 soldiers in Cyprus the Turkish "guarantees" would be OK with you? Why not guarantees by UN, EU or even NATO/Russia? Turkey wants to be a "Guarantor power" because she wants TCs to continue to DEPEND on her. And as long as the TCs depend on Turkey then Turkey will be able to continue to remote control them as they have been doing for decades.

[Paphitis]

Pyro said above

"No, that's your own fixation that you can't get over. At best they will need their guarantees, to be safe. Today's situation was not created by accident. It was created because we abused our own power on the first place.
I will vote for a plan if it is generally as I expect it to be."

Agreed about security guarantees, but why does that have to involve the permanent stationing of foreign troops on Cypriot soil? In the framework of communal and territorial separation, (the basis of BBF), with an armed police force under their direct command and participation in the federal forces what is the meaning of the 650 Turkish soldiers in Cyprus forever.

Modern military means allow the intervention by Turkey in minutes in case of a threat to the integrity of the TC region or community, making the 650 soldiers a militarily meaningless demand but a symbolically significant one.

Conversely the TC side must have some regard of GC security sensitivies. The Turkish army has killed more Cypriots in a few days than all conflicts Cypriots have been involved in during the whole of the 20th century. Insisting on a contingent of this army being permanently on the island is less than diplomatic towards people supposedly regarded as "equal".

I presume that the two motherland contingents will be guaranteeing the integrity of the distinct regions and not the state as a whole. If we are talking about the state as a whole it is a non starter and it would get my NO straight off.

So if they didn't station 650 soldiers in Cyprus the Turkish "guarantees" would be OK with you? Why not guarantees by UN, EU or even NATO/Russia? Turkey wants to be a "Guarantor power" because she wants TCs to continue to DEPEND on her. And as long as the TCs depend on Turkey then Turkey will be able to continue to remote control them as they have been doing for decades.

God help you if you had Guarantees from Russia. They are at the least the same as Turkey if not worse!

At least in NATO, there is no unilateral power given to a single country which is likely to be abused.

[Sotos]

Pyro said above

"No, that's your own fixation that you can't get over. At best they will need their guarantees, to be safe. Today's situation was not created by accident. It was created because we abused our own power on the first place.
I will vote for a plan if it is generally as I expect it to be."

Agreed about security guarantees, but why does that have to involve the permanent stationing of foreign troops on Cypriot soil? In the framework of communal and territorial separation, (the basis of BBF), with an armed police force under their direct command and participation in the federal forces what is the meaning of the 650 Turkish soldiers in Cyprus forever.

Modern military means allow the intervention by Turkey in minutes in case of a threat to the integrity of the TC region or community, making the 650 soldiers a militarily meaningless demand but a symbolically significant one.

Conversely the TC side must have some regard of GC security sensitivies. The Turkish army has killed more Cypriots in a few days than all conflicts Cypriots have been involved in during the whole of the 20th century. Insisting on a contingent of this army being permanently on the island is less than diplomatic towards people supposedly regarded as "equal".

I presume that the two motherland contingents will be guaranteeing the integrity of the distinct regions and not the state as a whole. If we are talking about the state as a whole it is a non starter and it would get my NO straight off.

So if they didn't station 650 soldiers in Cyprus the Turkish "guarantees" would be OK with you? Why not guarantees by UN, EU or even NATO/Russia? Turkey wants to be a "Guarantor power" because she wants TCs to continue to DEPEND on her. And as long as the TCs depend on Turkey then Turkey will be able to continue to remote control them as they have been doing for decades.

God help you if you had Guarantees from Russia. They are at the least the same as Turkey if not worse!

At least in NATO, there is no unilateral power given to a single country which is likely to be abused.

In what way is Russia the same as Turkey as far as Cyprus is concerned? Not only Russia has never invaded or harmed Cyprus in any way but they always support us at the UN security council. On the other hand there are 2 NATO countries currently occupying parts of Cyprus.

[Lordo]

Pyro said above

"No, that's your own fixation that you can't get over. At best they will need their guarantees, to be safe. Today's situation was not created by accident. It was created because we abused our own power on the first place.
I will vote for a plan if it is generally as I expect it to be."

Agreed about security guarantees, but why does that have to involve the permanent stationing of foreign troops on Cypriot soil? In the framework of communal and territorial separation, (the basis of BBF), with an armed police force under their direct command and participation in the federal forces what is the meaning of the 650 Turkish soldiers in Cyprus forever.

Modern military means allow the intervention by Turkey in minutes in case of a threat to the integrity of the TC region or community, making the 650 soldiers a militarily meaningless demand but a symbolically significant one.

Conversely the TC side must have some regard of GC security sensitivies. The Turkish army has killed more Cypriots in a few days than all conflicts Cypriots have been involved in during the whole of the 20th century. Insisting on a contingent of this army being permanently on the island is less than diplomatic towards people supposedly regarded as "equal".

I presume that the two motherland contingents will be guaranteeing the integrity of the distinct regions and not the state as a whole. If we are talking about the state as a whole it is a non starter and it would get my NO straight off.

So if they didn't station 650 soldiers in Cyprus the Turkish "guarantees" would be OK with you? Why not guarantees by UN, EU or even NATO/Russia? Turkey wants to be a "Guarantor power" because she wants TCs to continue to DEPEND on her. And as long as the TCs depend on Turkey then Turkey will be able to continue to remote control them as they have been doing for decades.

God help you if you had Guarantees from Russia. They are at the least the same as Turkey if not worse!

At least in NATO, there is no unilateral power given to a single country which is likely to be abused.

In what way is Russia the same as Turkey as far as Cyprus is concerned? Not only Russia has never invaded or harmed Cyprus in any way but they always support us at the UN security council. On the other hand there are 2 NATO countries currently occupying parts of Cyprus.

decades ago when maras was offered to you with no string attached and your leadership accepted it. it was a meeting with the russian ambassador 7 days later that convinced your leadership not to accpet the return of maras. it was the cold war between russia and america that brought about the cyprus problem. is there no bounds for your ignorance.

[Paphitis]

Pyro said above

"No, that's your own fixation that you can't get over. At best they will need their guarantees, to be safe. Today's situation was not created by accident. It was created because we abused our own power on the first place.
I will vote for a plan if it is generally as I expect it to be."

Agreed about security guarantees, but why does that have to involve the permanent stationing of foreign troops on Cypriot soil? In the framework of communal and territorial separation, (the basis of BBF), with an armed police force under their direct command and participation in the federal forces what is the meaning of the 650 Turkish soldiers in Cyprus forever.

Modern military means allow the intervention by Turkey in minutes in case of a threat to the integrity of the TC region or community, making the 650 soldiers a militarily meaningless demand but a symbolically significant one.

Conversely the TC side must have some regard of GC security sensitivies. The Turkish army has killed more Cypriots in a few days than all conflicts Cypriots have been involved in during the whole of the 20th century. Insisting on a contingent of this army being permanently on the island is less than diplomatic towards people supposedly regarded as "equal".

I presume that the two motherland contingents will be guaranteeing the integrity of the distinct regions and not the state as a whole. If we are talking about the state as a whole it is a non starter and it would get my NO straight off.

So if they didn't station 650 soldiers in Cyprus the Turkish "guarantees" would be OK with you? Why not guarantees by UN, EU or even NATO/Russia? Turkey wants to be a "Guarantor power" because she wants TCs to continue to DEPEND on her. And as long as the TCs depend on Turkey then Turkey will be able to continue to remote control them as they have been doing for decades.

God help you if you had Guarantees from Russia. They are at the least the same as Turkey if not worse!

At least in NATO, there is no unilateral power given to a single country which is likely to be abused.

In what way is Russia the same as Turkey as far as Cyprus is concerned? Not only Russia has never invaded or harmed Cyprus in any way but they always support us at the UN security council. On the other hand there are 2 NATO countries currently occupying parts of Cyprus.

Ukraine, Ossetia, and Georgia!

Putin also just happens to be the biggest criminal on the abet. Just a few months ago, the G20 leaders were in Australia, and the Russian Navy and Royal Australian Navy blue ere engaged in very serious war games obviously in an effort to intimidate Australia while our PM and that criminal were at the G20 and wouldn't even speak to each other.

He is a criminal!