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Re: Akinci

Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:28 am

Lordo wrote:if football can unite so can caa of roc for the benefit of both communities. allowing international flights there is one thing giving them their own airspace is another.

you are looking for problems where none exists. how the hell are you going to accept any compromise.


There is no chance the CAD of the RoC can unite with the illegal occupation regime. that is tantamount to recognition and acceptance!

There is no point asking for something that simply just can't happen unless ERCAN comes under the RoC regulator CAD. We are talking about ICAO Law here.

It's extremely complicated and it also involves jurisdiction over Airspace and FIR.

Can't comment about the Harbour because I don't know very much about the Maritime legalities.
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Re: Akinci

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:37 am

Paphitis wrote:


There can't be. ERCAN can't operate unless it goes under the ICAO endorsed auspices of the Civil Aviation Department of the RoC.

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...indeed, a Cypriot can understand this, there is a mechanism, it is recognition of the Republic. And at another level of Government, if there existed a set of Cypriot Constituencies, what's called Ercan, would be recognised as an International Airport, a Cypriot Airport where service is in English, and in Greek, although Turkish is first spoken there.
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Re: Akinci

Postby boulio » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:18 am

Ercan can only operate under the cad of the roc,that's why the turks keep asking for it because they know it won't happen.concerning famagusta port even that won't operate independently,it would fall under EU supervision.
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Re: Akinci

Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:26 am

boulio wrote:Ercan can only operate under the cad of the roc,that's why the turks keep asking for it because they know it won't happen.concerning famagusta port even that won't operate independently,it would fall under EU supervision.


Perhaps you're right about the Port.

but with regard to the Airport, someone will have to be in charge and responsible for all the regulatory requirements as well as Air Traffic Control, security, and Aerodrome Standards as well as all the Safety Management Systems, Emergency Response Plans, Auditing and Compliance, and even incident and crash investigations.

It can only be granted to a State - and what I mean about a State is a Country not some State within a Federation. ICAO is basically an arm of the United Nations and as such only countries can be signatories not States (i.e California can't be a signatory, only the USA is).

Therefore, the Airport can only achieve legitimacy as part of a comprehensive settlement.
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Re: Akinci

Postby boulio » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:49 am

Just read his interview in politis he also mentions ercan,if not under nicosia fir(roc)it's a non starter
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Re: Akinci

Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:48 am

boulio wrote:Just read his interview in politis he also mentions ercan,if not under nicosia fir(roc)it's a non starter


Well it depends how serious this guy really is.

In a comprehensive settlement, the Airport will be under the competent authorities of the CAD and it can become another International Airport for the island.

A bit ridiculous that a small island will have 3 of them, but there you are.
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Re: Akinci

Postby Maximus » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:13 am

Just read an article in the CY mail.

“Our hope is to reach a result through the negotiations in the framework of political equality and a dialogue with Turkey,” Akinci said.

“It would be a favourable development if the natural gas in the eastern Mediterranean was transferred to the EU through Turkey,” he said.

regarding the settlers, “In the future I see them as citizens of the federal republic and the EU,” he said.
Akinci said it was not only the Turkish Cypriots but Turks also were tired of the Cyprus problem.

During the interview Akinci also denied there was a crisis between him and Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan over the ‘motherland’.

He is the same as Eroglu. All this talk about change is bollox. They have not changed.
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Re: Akinci

Postby Maximus » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:16 am

So basically, he is saying things will basically stay the way they are but the RoC gains the settlers, gives them a veto and the gas goes through them to Turkey.

Same old crap.
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Re: Akinci

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:56 am

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:There can't be. ERCAN can't operate unless it goes under the ICAO endorsed auspices of the Civil Aviation Department of the RoC.

Simply put, there is no legal mechanism for it.


I never said anything about Ercan. It's Maximus that insists incorrectly that presumambly Akinci's thesis was for Voroshia+ercan. Why are you replying to ME???
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Re: Akinci

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:04 am

Paphitis wrote:
boulio wrote:Ercan can only operate under the cad of the roc,that's why the turks keep asking for it because they know it won't happen.concerning famagusta port even that won't operate independently,it would fall under EU supervision.


Perhaps you're right about the Port.

but with regard to the Airport, someone will have to be in charge and responsible for all the regulatory requirements as well as Air Traffic Control, security, and Aerodrome Standards as well as all the Safety Management Systems, Emergency Response Plans, Auditing and Compliance, and even incident and crash investigations.

It can only be granted to a State - and what I mean about a State is a Country not some State within a Federation. ICAO is basically an arm of the United Nations and as such only countries can be signatories not States (i.e California can't be a signatory, only the USA is).

Therefore, the Airport can only achieve legitimacy as part of a comprehensive settlement.


I am not sure about that. Klerides has proposed in the past to re-operate Nicosia's International airport, where there would be two gates one leading to the occupied and another to us. It seems to me Air laws is one thing ground laws is another.
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