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[Maximus]

2. I understand this point. If the TC's agree (which includes the settlers) Turkey will accept it. You cant agree though, that's the problem isn't it? So how have they changed?

3. If ALL the TC's voted for Akinci, then he would have probably needed twice as many votes from the settlers to secure his 60% victory. What kind of solution do you think he is going to put forward? What are his promises to his electorate?

2.I already told you before.The TCs did not change yesterday. Their change has mounted from 2002. They repeatedly went against to no- solution system. What is it exactly that you do not understand???
3. You need to improve either on Maths or the method you account for data or both.

2. OK, so they changed from the Annan plan mindset to Eroglu, now to Akinci.
3. This is how I worked it out, 1 TC to every 5 settler. they make up 20% of the total possible vote. If they all vote for Akinci, 20%, then the remaining 40% has to come from where, for him to get a total of 60% of the vote.

2. I already told you the Anan Plan was drafted by foreigners to please Denktash. by that time the TCs's already revolted. The Talat-Papadopoulos period was wasted basically because of Papadopulos mess with the Anan plan.Unfortunately the Tcs will was suppressed because after Talat Turkey mobilized the settlers. This time she didn't. Hence Akinci is now the leader and clearly pro solution

3. The Tcs WERE about 55% at the previous elections. Their percentage increased dramatically because too many settlers sailed back to Turkey for better jobs in Turkeys booming factories, and because the economic situation at the occupied now is really bad.
That much for data. So if all TCs voted yes, then Akinci would just need 0-5% from settlers.

1. They voted yes for the Annan plan. We keep hearing about it.
2. Not buying it. There are more settlers today than there were a few years ago. Your saying that the TC are majority in the occupied north, which is just not true. Your math does not add up. They stand at about 80K, which would mean that the settlers amount to about 70K. Nope.

[Pyrpolizer]

It's called balance of power.

Exactly. And how much power do the TCs have without Turkey? NONE. Therefore the TCs will NEVER brake away from their dependency from Turkey since they NEED the backing of Turkey to "win" the balance of power.

I never knew there are winners and losers when there is balance of power!
All I knew was when there is no balance of power some people get funny ideas.

Are you gong to be playing with words now? In any way you put it the conclusion is that TCs will NEVER get independent from Turkey because they need the Turkish power to gain more than what they deserve as a minority. And no support given to them by Turkey is for free. If you can't understand this then sorry. Go vote for a plan that will destroy Cyprus. I will not.

No, that's your own fixation that you can't get over. At best they will need their guarantees, to be safe. Today's situation was not created by accident. It was created because we abused our own power on the first place.
I will vote for a plan if it is generally as I expect it to be.
You will always vote NO to any plan other than perhaps sending your children to die in a meaningless war.
And then you will sit in the corner of an empty room crying until you become a ghost.

[Lordo]

reh anipshe you have restored my faith in normal gcs. dont worry about the fanatics. the media have now realised this is the last chance saloon and are changing their tune. the no camp will be much weaker next time.

[repulsewarrior]

...Sotos, "Greekness", like "Turkishness", got Cypriots in a lot of trouble. And since it has been, "their" way, i ask, has Cyprus prospered more, from it?

What trouble did Greekness create to Cyprus? Had the Turks never invaded Cyprus, and had Cyprus being Turk free, how would our Greekness be a problem? Be specific.

...money.

[Sotos]

No, that's your own fixation that you can't get over. At best they will need their guarantees, to be safe.

You say that TCs NEED Turkey's guarantees to be safe. That means TCs will DEPEND on Turkey for their safety even after a solution. Safety is an important issue, even more important than financial issues. Therefore I have proven my point that TCs will depend on Turkey even after a solution not any less than they depend on Turkey today. Turkey at any point can threaten them that they will end their support, and in this way extract from them whatever they want, just like they have been doing for decades.

Today's situation was not created by accident. It was created because we abused our own power on the first place.
I will vote for a plan if it is generally as I expect it to be.
You will always vote NO to any plan other than perhaps sending your children to die in a meaningless war.
And then you will sit in the corner of an empty room crying until you become a ghost.

Today's situation was created by the Turks because they didn't want to allow Cyprus to be democratic and they wanted to control Cyprus by using their minority. How exactly we "abused" our power? In democracy Majority Rules. Minorities such as the TCs can have minority rights, not overlord rights ... this is not 1800 the era of the Ottoman empire. I will never send my children to a meaningless war. We should fight in a war only if there is a good chance of winning it. But it seems you are ready to surrender the whole Cyprus to the Turks and make yourself and your children their slaves again. I will never vote for any plan that would put the whole Cyprus under the direct influence of Turkey.

[Paphitis]

...Sotos, "Greekness", like "Turkishness", got Cypriots in a lot of trouble. And since it has been, "their" way, i ask, has Cyprus prospered more, from it?

What trouble did Greekness create to Cyprus? Had the Turks never invaded Cyprus, and had Cyprus being Turk free, how would our Greekness be a problem? Be specific.

...money.

Hit the nail on the head. They bled us dry and made us as bankrupt as they are!

[Paphitis]

reh anipshe you have restored my faith in normal gcs. dont worry about the fanatics. the media have now realised this is the last chance saloon and are changing their tune. the no camp will be much weaker next time.

I've been hearing about this last chance saloon for 20 years now!

[Lordo]

...Sotos, "Greekness", like "Turkishness", got Cypriots in a lot of trouble. And since it has been, "their" way, i ask, has Cyprus prospered more, from it?

What trouble did Greekness create to Cyprus? Had the Turks never invaded Cyprus, and had Cyprus being Turk free, how would our Greekness be a problem? Be specific.

...money.

has sotos forgot about 74 again gavole.

if you are going back to 1570 i would rather go back to 350bc where there were no greeks in cyprus. if you boys stayed where you were there would be no cyprus problem today. so bugger off.

[Paphitis]

here is a change in the south. most media did not refer to pseudo state or pseudo elections.

Please start by telling us what changes Akinci has promised.

Then tell us how the TC's have changed and how their view on the CY problem has changed.

The viewers at home missed it.

He has promised all the changes that will come with a solution, and some of them re varoshia might possibly come before. Isn't that enough for you?

All the changes will come with a solution. Isn't that stating the obvious? What are these changes, this is what I am asking.

Verosha might come before in exchange for Famagusta port and direct flights to the north. This has been put forward by him and denied by the RoC already.

He is picking things up from where Eroglu left them. Talat was asking for the same, direct flights for a ghost town. A psuedo recognition, no further incentive to continue and one step closer towards Taksim.

The important part for me AT THIS STAGE is that he is confident we will agree to a solution.
Are you really serious in asking me what changes a solution will bring about?

Furthermore you just assume that he proposed Varoshia+Ercan. You are absolutely wrong. Go read the 3 topics about him. I posted a link to his pre-election agenda. There is absolutely no reference to Ercan.

There can't be. ERCAN can't operate unless it goes under the ICAO endorsed auspices of the Civil Aviation Department of the RoC.

Simply put, there is no legal mechanism for it.

[Lordo]

if football can unite so can caa of roc for the benefit of both communities. allowing international flights there is one thing giving them their own airspace is another.

you are looking for problems where none exists. how the hell are you going to accept any compromise.