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[Pyrpolizer]

What are the changes that will have to take place? How is Akinci different from Eroglu? How is the TC view different than before? How have they changed?

Akinci is different from Eroglu because Akinci wants the type of solution that is near to what we want. Eroglu wanted a disguised partition solution worse than the Anan Plan.
The TCs haven't changed yesterday.They chanced during the very long process of 30 years during which Denktash had them locked in an open prison.They revolted and voted Talat. Then Turkey mobilized the settlers and imposed Eroglu on them. Akinci was not elected by accident. He is the outcome of TC's revolt that matured in 2002 and still continues.

Please substantiate this claim.1

Just because they revolt from one puppet to the next does not mean that they have changed, they have just changed their leader. 2

Dont you understand that they all have negotiate along the same lines? Its all disguised partition with a veto. 3

1. He told Anastasiades "GET YOURSELF PREPARED FOR A SOLUTION".It's all over in the news. Who would have said such a thing? Only some someone who understands very well our position and knows we will agree. To make it easier for you just ask yourself if Eroglu could have ever made such a bold statement.

2. First of all the interviewed explained very well that the whole notion that Ankara holds all the strings is not entirely correct. If you don't want to understand this point that's your problem. read the interview of our Foreign prime Minister Mr Kasoulides who sets things on their right perspective. You don't know what it means to overthrow a very powerful leader like the Denktash-Eroglu gangs.

3.What do you mean all?? Denktash never negotiated, the Anan Plan was drafted by foreigners just to please Denktash. Eroglu yes negotiated along the lines of disguised partition hence he produced no results. If this is what the TCs REALLY wanted they would have voted Eroglu . Have they?

[Pyrpolizer]

here is a change in the south. most media did not refer to pseudo state or pseudo elections.

Please start by telling us what changes Akinci has promised.

Then tell us how the TC's have changed and how their view on the CY problem has changed.

The viewers at home missed it.

He has promised all the changes that will come with a solution, and some of them re varoshia might possibly come before. Isn't that enough for you?

All the changes will come with a solution. Isn't that stating the obvious? What are these changes, this is what I am asking.

Verosha might come before in exchange for Famagusta port and direct flights to the north. This has been put forward by him and denied by the RoC already.

He is picking things up from where Eroglu left them. Talat was asking for the same, direct flights for a ghost town. A psuedo recognition, no further incentive to continue and one step closer towards Taksim.

The important part for me AT THIS STAGE is that he is confident we will agree to a solution.
Are you really serious in asking me what changes a solution will bring about?

Furthermore you just assume that he proposed Varoshia+Ercan. You are absolutely wrong. Go read the 3 topics about him. I posted a link to his pre-election agenda. There is absolutely no reference to Ercan.

[Maximus]

What are the changes that will have to take place? How is Akinci different from Eroglu? How is the TC view different than before? How have they changed?

Akinci is different from Eroglu because Akinci wants the type of solution that is near to what we want. Eroglu wanted a disguised partition solution worse than the Anan Plan.
The TCs haven't changed yesterday.They chanced during the very long process of 30 years during which Denktash had them locked in an open prison.They revolted and voted Talat. Then Turkey mobilized the settlers and imposed Eroglu on them. Akinci was not elected by accident. He is the outcome of TC's revolt that matured in 2002 and still continues.

Please substantiate this claim.1

Just because they revolt from one puppet to the next does not mean that they have changed, they have just changed their leader. 2

Dont you understand that they all have negotiate along the same lines? Its all disguised partition with a veto. 3

1. He told Anastasiades "GET YOURSELF PREPARED FOR A SOLUTION".It's all over in the news. Who would have said such a thing? Only some someone who understands very well our position and knows we will agree. To make it easier for you just ask yourself if Eroglu could have ever made such a bold statement.

2. First of all the interviewed explained very well that the whole notion that Ankara holds all the strings is not entirely correct. If you don't want to understand this point that's your problem. read the interview of our Foreign prime Minister Mr Kasoulides who sets things on their right perspective. You don't know what it means to overthrow a very powerful leader like the Denktash-Eroglu gangs.

3.What do you mean all?? Denktash never negotiated, the Anan Plan was drafted by foreigners just to please Denktash. Eroglu yes negotiated along the lines of disguised partition hence he produced no results. If this is what the TCs REALLY wanted they would have voted Eroglu . Have they?

1. Nothing new here, heard it all before.

2. I understand this point. If the TC's agree (which includes the settlers) Turkey will accept it. You cant agree though, that's the problem isn't it? So how have they changed?

3. If ALL the TC's voted for Akinci, then he would have probably needed twice as many votes from the settlers to secure his 60% victory. What kind of solution do you think he is going to put forward? What are his promises to his electorate?

[Maximus]

here is a change in the south. most media did not refer to pseudo state or pseudo elections.

Please start by telling us what changes Akinci has promised.

Then tell us how the TC's have changed and how their view on the CY problem has changed.

The viewers at home missed it.

He has promised all the changes that will come with a solution, and some of them re varoshia might possibly come before. Isn't that enough for you?

All the changes will come with a solution. Isn't that stating the obvious? What are these changes, this is what I am asking.

Verosha might come before in exchange for Famagusta port and direct flights to the north. This has been put forward by him and denied by the RoC already.

He is picking things up from where Eroglu left them. Talat was asking for the same, direct flights for a ghost town. A psuedo recognition, no further incentive to continue and one step closer towards Taksim.

The important part for me AT THIS STAGE is that he is confident we will agree to a solution.
Are you really serious in asking me what changes a solution will bring about?

Furthermore you just assume that he proposed Varoshia+Ercan. You are absolutely wrong. Go read the 3 topics about him. I posted a link to his pre-election agenda. There is absolutely no reference to Ercan.

No, I am asking what Akinci promised to his electorate and how the TC's have changed.

I read it in the CY mail.

Can you tell me what changes Akinci promised to his electorate? what did they vote for? Change?

[Pyrpolizer]

It's called balance of power.

Exactly. And how much power do the TCs have without Turkey? NONE. Therefore the TCs will NEVER brake away from their dependency from Turkey since they NEED the backing of Turkey to "win" the balance of power.

I never knew there are winners and losers when there is balance of power!
All I knew was when there is no balance of power some people get funny ideas.

[Pyrpolizer]

No, I am asking what Akinci promised to his electorate and how the TC's have changed.

I read it in the CY mail.

Can you tell me what changes Akinci promised to his electorate? he won right? what did they vote for? Change?

Sorry I am not here to educate you.
Go ask his electorate.

[Pyrpolizer]

2. I understand this point. If the TC's agree (which includes the settlers) Turkey will accept it. You cant agree though, that's the problem isn't it? So how have they changed?

3. If ALL the TC's voted for Akinci, then he would have probably needed twice as many votes from the settlers to secure his 60% victory. What kind of solution do you think he is going to put forward? What are his promises to his electorate?

2.I already told you before.The TCs did not change yesterday. Their change has mounted from 2002. They repeatedly went against to no- solution system. What is it exactly that you do not understand???
3. You need to improve either on Maths or the method you account for data or both.

[Maximus]

2. I understand this point. If the TC's agree (which includes the settlers) Turkey will accept it. You cant agree though, that's the problem isn't it? So how have they changed?

3. If ALL the TC's voted for Akinci, then he would have probably needed twice as many votes from the settlers to secure his 60% victory. What kind of solution do you think he is going to put forward? What are his promises to his electorate?

2.I already told you before.The TCs did not change yesterday. Their change has mounted from 2002. They repeatedly went against to no- solution system. What is it exactly that you do not understand???
3. You need to improve either on Maths or the method you account for data or both.

2. OK, so they changed from the Annan plan mindset to Talat to Eroglu, now to Akinci.
3. This is how I worked it out, 1 TC to every 4 settler. they make up 20% of the total possible vote. If they all vote for Akinci, 20%, then the remaining 40% has to come from where, for him to get a total of 60% of the vote.

[Sotos]

It's called balance of power.

Exactly. And how much power do the TCs have without Turkey? NONE. Therefore the TCs will NEVER brake away from their dependency from Turkey since they NEED the backing of Turkey to "win" the balance of power.

I never knew there are winners and losers when there is balance of power!
All I knew was when there is no balance of power some people get funny ideas.

Are you gong to be playing with words now? In any way you put it the conclusion is that TCs will NEVER get independent from Turkey because they need the Turkish power to gain more than what they deserve as a minority. And no support given to them by Turkey is for free. If you can't understand this then sorry. Go vote for a plan that will destroy Cyprus. I will not.

[Pyrpolizer]

2. I understand this point. If the TC's agree (which includes the settlers) Turkey will accept it. You cant agree though, that's the problem isn't it? So how have they changed?

3. If ALL the TC's voted for Akinci, then he would have probably needed twice as many votes from the settlers to secure his 60% victory. What kind of solution do you think he is going to put forward? What are his promises to his electorate?

2.I already told you before.The TCs did not change yesterday. Their change has mounted from 2002. They repeatedly went against to no- solution system. What is it exactly that you do not understand???
3. You need to improve either on Maths or the method you account for data or both.

2. OK, so they changed from the Annan plan mindset to Eroglu, now to Akinci.
3. This is how I worked it out, 1 TC to every 5 settler. they make up 20% of the total possible vote. If they all vote for Akinci, 20%, then the remaining 40% has to come from where, for him to get a total of 60% of the vote.

2. I already told you the Anan Plan was drafted by foreigners to please Denktash. by that time the TCs's already revolted. The Talat-Papadopoulos period was wasted basically because of Papadopulos mess with the Anan plan.Unfortunately the Tcs will was suppressed because after Talat Turkey mobilized the settlers. This time she didn't. Hence Akinci is now the leader and clearly pro solution

3. The Tcs WERE about 55% at the previous elections. Their percentage increased dramatically because too many settlers sailed back to Turkey for better jobs in Turkeys booming factories, and because the economic situation at the occupied now is really bad.
That much for data. So if all TCs voted yes, then Akinci would just need 0-5% from settlers.