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[Pyrpolizer]

here is a change in the south. most media did not refer to pseudo state or pseudo elections.

Please start by telling us what changes Akinci has promised.

Then tell us how the TC's have changed and how their view on the CY problem has changed.

The viewers at home missed it.

He has promised all the changes that will come with a solution, and some of them re varoshia might possibly come before. Isn't that enough for you?

[Maximus]

What are the changes that will have to take place? How is Akinci different from Eroglu? How is the TC view different than before? How have they changed?

Akinci is different from Eroglu because Akinci wants the type of solution that is near to what we want. Eroglu wanted a disguised partition solution worse than the Anan Plan.
The TCs haven't changed yesterday.They chanced during the very long process of 30 years during which Denktash had them locked in an open prison.They revolted and voted Talat. Then Turkey mobilized the settlers and imposed Eroglu on them. Akinci was not elected by accident. He is the outcome of TC's revolt that matured in 2002 and still continues.

Please substantiate this claim.

Just because they revolt from one puppet to the next does not mean that they have changed, they have just changed their leader.

Dont you understand that they all have negotiate along the same lines? Its all disguised partition with a veto.

[Maximus]

here is a change in the south. most media did not refer to pseudo state or pseudo elections.

Please start by telling us what changes Akinci has promised.

Then tell us how the TC's have changed and how their view on the CY problem has changed.

The viewers at home missed it.

He has promised all the changes that will come with a solution, and some of them re varoshia might possibly come before. Isn't that enough for you?

All the changes will come with a solution. Isn't that stating the obvious? What are these changes, this is what I am asking.

Verosha might come before in exchange for Famagusta port and direct flights to the north. This has been put forward by him and denied by the RoC already.

He is picking things up from where Eroglu left them. Talat was asking for the same, direct flights for a ghost town. A psuedo recognition, no further incentive to continue and one step closer towards Taksim.

[Lordo]

eroglu did not want bbf. he wanted a confederation. he is likely to give you more territory too. the trouble is you are too stupid to realise whats good for you. just like when you were given maras back for no strings attached and you refused it.

[Sotos]

If it were in our hands we would throw them all in the sea, because of the poison we 've been fed from the church and the schools.We have enough barbarians amongst us who wouldn't hesitate a second to take the life of another human being just because he speaks Turkish. (let aside stealing their lands and properties-see we are not much different on the average). Mind you if it weren't the Tcs we would attack the Maronites, go back in the 60s and watch how the Maronites were marginalized. It was only AFTER 1974 that they started employing them en masse in the Government, just to show off as the good boys to their minorities.
Imo a Federal structure is the BEST solution, because we are not socially mature as a people. Our mentality is backwards in almost everything.

In other words Sotos the BBF is REQUIRED not only to protect the Tcs but to protect us from the few among us who would love to hurt them. The majority of us are and were always nice people, it's the barbarians among us that I am afraid of. And of course the barbarians among the Tcs themselves.

No doubt we dislike the Turks given what they have done to us for centuries! But it seems you have been getting too much of your info from the Turks... especially that bit about the Maronites. In 1960 there was a referendum so that the religious groups (including the Maronites) would choose to which community they would belong to. 322 voted to be part of the GC community and just 1 voted to be part of the TC community. Your argument in favor of BBF is stupid... BBF is a compromise not the ideal. Otherwise every country which had some conflicts between its groups (we are not the only ones) would voluntary divide in this way.

It's called balance of power.

Exactly. And how much power do the TCs have without Turkey? NONE. Therefore the TCs will NEVER brake away from their dependency from Turkey since they NEED the backing of Turkey to "win" the balance of power.

[Lordo]

so what you are saying is if terggy stops guaranteeing trnc you will attack it right. excellent.

[Sotos]

eroglu did not want bbf. he wanted a confederation. he is likely to give you more territory too. the trouble is you are too stupid to realise whats good for you. just like when you were given maras back for no strings attached and you refused it.

That never happened. Go take your pills.

[Sotos]

so what you are saying is if terggy stops guaranteeing trnc you will attack it right. excellent.

Your so called "trnc" is a pseudo state created by foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing on land that belongs by over 80% to Greek Cypriots. The ONLY reason that RoC can not exercise its sovereignty over the north part of Cyprus is the Turkish army which is ILLEGALLY occupying what is recognized by ALL other countries in the world to be RoC territory. So OF COURSE we would liberate the north part of our country if we could.

[repulsewarrior]

...Sotos, "Greekness", like "Turkishness", got Cypriots in a lot of trouble. And since it has been, "their" way, i ask, has Cyprus prospered more, from it?

[Sotos]

...Sotos, "Greekness", like "Turkishness", got Cypriots in a lot of trouble. And since it has been, "their" way, i ask, has Cyprus prospered more, from it?

What trouble did Greekness create to Cyprus? Had the Turks never invaded Cyprus, and had Cyprus being Turk free, how would our Greekness be a problem? Be specific.