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[Lordo]

time to wise up or shut up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wmfuls8vEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS9JdwtEocA

[Maximus]

time to wise up or shut up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wmfuls8vEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS9JdwtEocA

Thanks for posting that Lordo,

So the message from the TC's is about change. The TC's voted yes to the annan plan which shows they want a solution. They voted in and out a Turkish nationalist party because he failed to bring about a solution. Now with the election of Akinci, they are sending a message to the GC's that they are about change and want to find a solution to the CY problem.

The GC's have to accept that they cant go back to their homes and they have to make voting concessions.

Is that the general message the TC's are sending by voting for Akinci?

[Lordo]

there is no going back to 1960. thankfully majority gcs have seen the light. you will be left behind just like our fanatics in the north. it is a matter time before this storm hits the likes of you too.

[Maximus]

there is no going back to 1960. thankfully majority gcs have seen the light. you will be left behind just like our fanatics in the north. it is a matter time before this storm hits the likes of you too.

What your saying does not follow but I will take it that what I got from those videos you posted is correct.

So what has changed from the TC's perspective? Nada. Its the same politics, with a different politician. trying to achieve the same result as his predecessors. It doesn't matter if he is left or right, its all a parallel separatist structure.

[repulsewarrior]

...again, "the voting concession", is an opportunity to vote for their own self-representation, as a Constituency. Nothing prevents Cypriots, having a Republic Sovereign, to create within such a State, Cypriot Constituencies, a place where Greeks can express themselves as Greeks toward sustaining this distinct identity, not unlike a Maronite, Armenian, Latin, (dare i say it British), or Turkish Constituency, equals that way.

Bicommunal does not mean a Greek community and a Turkish community, divided and mutually exclusive. It is a myth perpetuated by those among us who are either "Greeks" or "Turks". This debate is flawed.

...one hopes that he will be willing to stand in front of the Flag of Cyprus when he speaks, but i've said that before. A Greek Constituency is a good thing, i think. If above a set of Cypriot Constituencies, there exists a Republic where its Citizens are not represented as Greeks, and/or Turks, (and/or others by the same distinction,) but Cypriots, this is a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation.

[Maximus]

If above a set of Cypriot Constituencies, there exists a Republic where its Citizens are not represented as Greeks, and/or Turks, (and/or others by the same distinction,) but Cypriots, this is a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation.

He will stand in front of the flag of the republic if the Greek Cypriots don't go back or make claims to their property and he gets a veto for the "Turks" vs the "Greeks" in the federal government.

Is this what you have in mind when you think of BBF repulse w?

[Pyrpolizer]

time to wise up or shut up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wmfuls8vEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS9JdwtEocA

Thanks for posting that Lordo,

So the message from the TC's is about change. The TC's voted yes to the annan plan which shows they want a solution. They voted in and out a Turkish nationalist party because he failed to bring about a solution. Now with the election of Akinci, they are sending a message to the GC's that they are about change and want to find a solution to the CY problem.

The GC's have to accept that they cant go back to their homes and they have to make voting concessions.

Is that the general message the TC's are sending by voting for Akinci?

SOME may not go back and PROBABLY make voting concessions (when living in the other fed part) .Those were his actual words.
So what's the big deal? Didn't we know that?

Otherwise an excellent interview, enlightening on some parts, full of hope.

[Maximus]

time to wise up or shut up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wmfuls8vEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS9JdwtEocA

Thanks for posting that Lordo,

So the message from the TC's is about change. The TC's voted yes to the annan plan which shows they want a solution. They voted in and out a Turkish nationalist party because he failed to bring about a solution. Now with the election of Akinci, they are sending a message to the GC's that they are about change and want to find a solution to the CY problem.

The GC's have to accept that they cant go back to their homes and they have to make voting concessions.

Is that the general message the TC's are sending by voting for Akinci?

SOME may not go back and PROBABLY make voting concessions (when living in the other fed part) .Those were his actual words.
So what's the big deal? Didn't we know that?

Otherwise an excellent interview, enlightening on some parts, full of hope.

His actual words,

I think Turkish Cypriots will have to understand that some things will change. They will have to come to accept some things. Greek Cypriots the same way. Maybe some Greek Cypriots will have to come to accept the fact, I am just giving an example, that they may not be able to go back to their homes, or they will be forced to move, or something else. Or they will have to make a concession regarding voting. But if we want to make a future for ourselves, (interviewer interrupt, common?), a common future for ourselves these changes will have to take place.

What are the changes that will have to take place? How is Akinci different from Eroglu? How is the TC view different than before? How have they changed?

[Maximus]

This whole interview is about change. He says that this vote for Akinci is about those who WANT change and those who DO NOT.

They don't tell anything about how they have changed, or how their view on the CY problem has changed. They just tell you the changes they expect from the GC's.

The interviewer asks how feasible it is for Akinci to deliver the changes he has promised and they don't give you a straight answer, or inform about what these changes are.

She says its the second time the TC's have challenged the status quo, they have overthrow a powerful nationalist government......blah blah blah. The first time we tried to make change things went wrong, ( I assume she is talking about the Annan plan) we can sit and talk about them all morning, blah blah blah. but the important thing here is that we achieved this for the second time, we have given out a very clear and very strong message, blah blah blah and some more bollox and now it is the duty of the GC's (leadership, media, opinion leaders, etc) to get this message and mobilize their audience.

Then he gives us examples about the changes the GC's have to make.

Seems like an amicable conversation but its all bollox because they have not changed. Its about what they WANT.

[Lordo]

you are both blind and deaf