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[Pyrpolizer]

I don't see any other way for the TC Fed State to be partners with Turkey in any solution, other than financial dependency.

You are wrong. The TCs would depend on Turkish power for (a) securing their gains on our expense (b) having even more gains on our expense. Why do you think they insist on guarantees by Turkey? Why not guarantees by UN, EU or NATO? They don't have any power themselves so Turkey provides them the power they lack. But of course Turkey will not use its power and let TCs have all the gains. So they share the gains between them. They are partners in this crime and most of their population are in agreement to this. No need for Ankara to buy any politicians.

Aha! So the 650 men Turkish power that would "possibly" stay, are such an overwhelming power compared to he 950 men Greek power that would "possibly" stay, that the ***TCs would depend on Turkish power for (a) securing their gains on our expense (b) having even more gains on our expense. ***
Talking of candy asses...

Neeeeeext!

[Sotos]

I don't see any other way for the TC Fed State to be partners with Turkey in any solution, other than financial dependency.

You are wrong. The TCs would depend on Turkish power for (a) securing their gains on our expense (b) having even more gains on our expense. Why do you think they insist on guarantees by Turkey? Why not guarantees by UN, EU or NATO? They don't have any power themselves so Turkey provides them the power they lack. But of course Turkey will not use its power and let TCs have all the gains. So they share the gains between them. They are partners in this crime and most of their population are in agreement to this. No need for Ankara to buy any politicians.

Aha! So the 650 men Turkish power that would "possibly" stay, are such an overwhelming power compared to he 950 men Greek power that would "possibly" stay, that the ***TCs would depend on Turkish power for (a) securing their gains on our expense (b) having even more gains on our expense. ***
Talking of candy asses...

Neeeeeext!

You think that the Turkish Guarantees are those 650 men? No. "Guarantees" means that Turkey gets intervention rights in Cyprus. Basically Turkey is using its army to get for TCs something they wouldn't otherwise have (a Turkish federal state for themselves on our land) and then it again uses its army to guarantee that whatever was unfairly gained it will not be changed. Do you think that Turkey is providing such "services" to the TCs for free? NO. The TCs WANT those "services" and they are more than happy to pay for them... why else would they insist on Turkish Guarantees? So the TCs will use the power they have to gain on our expense for themselves, and also gain on our expense for the patron fee that would go to Turkey.

[Lordo]

are you planning to attack tc, is that what this is all about.

[Jerry]

One side wants guarantees the other does not but nobody has defined what is being guaranteed. A middle way would be for Turkey to guarantee the boundary of the northern state and specifically excluded from interfering in the affairs of the southern state.

The apparent early rift between Erdogan and Akinci does not bode well for a long term solution but it does offer the ROC the opportunity to make concessions in return for Varosha in the knowledge that if/when the talks fail it will be Erdogan's hardline rather than the ROC that get's the blame.

[Sotos]

are you planning to attack tc, is that what this is all about.

We are planning to take back our own land which you stole from us. That is why you will ALWAYS need Turkey. Because on your own you are just too weak to successfully steal from us. But you didn't need me to tell you this. You know it. This is why you insist on Turkish guarantees and you will always be the muppets of Turkey. You prefer to be the muppets of Turkey so Turkey can STEAL for you from us rather than accept to be a normal minority like all other without any external patrons.

[Pyrpolizer]

You think that the Turkish Guarantees are those 650 men? No. "Guarantees" means that Turkey gets intervention rights in Cyprus. Basically Turkey is using its army to get for TCs something they wouldn't otherwise have (a Turkish federal state for themselves on our land) and then it again uses its army to guarantee that whatever was unfairly gained it will not be changed. Do you think that Turkey is providing such "services" to the TCs for free? NO. The TCs WANT those "services" and they are more than happy to pay for them... why else would they insist on Turkish Guarantees? So the TCs will use the power they have to gain on our expense for themselves, and also gain on our expense for the patron fee that would go to Turkey.

Sure, sure, the TCs will be more than happy to start a new round of TMT-Eoka type bullshit to offer services to Turkey on the expense of the GCs, so that they cause another 50 years of suffering to themselves and everybody.
How much more of an illusionist can you be Sotos?
I am against any guarantees for many reasons, including Cyprus' National pride as a State.
However your fixation to the idea that the Guarantees were used by the Tcs to provide services to Turkey is historically invalid. Nobody provides "services" to have 25% refugees packed like rats in enclaves

[Pyrpolizer]

are you planning to attack tc, is that what this is all about.

We are planning to take back our own land which you stole from us. That is why you will ALWAYS need Turkey. Because on your own you are just too weak to successfully steal from us. But you didn't need me to tell you this. You know it. This is why you insist on Turkish guarantees and you will always be the muppets of Turkey. You prefer to be the muppets of Turkey so Turkey can STEAL for you from us rather than accept to be a normal minority like all other without any external patrons.

Wow!!
So this is what you plan huh?
I thought we were planning to have a solution that we would all respect, despite some loses/gains here and there.
Go do it yourself Sotos, I have no spare children to send to the grave, send your own children if you like.

[Sotos]

are you planning to attack tc, is that what this is all about.

We are planning to take back our own land which you stole from us. That is why you will ALWAYS need Turkey. Because on your own you are just too weak to successfully steal from us. But you didn't need me to tell you this. You know it. This is why you insist on Turkish guarantees and you will always be the muppets of Turkey. You prefer to be the muppets of Turkey so Turkey can STEAL for you from us rather than accept to be a normal minority like all other without any external patrons.

Wow!!
So this is what you plan huh?
I thought we were planning to have a solution that we would all respect, despite some loses/gains here and there.
Go do it yourself Sotos, I have no spare children to send to the grave, send your own children if you like.

Pyrpolizer, if you could have Cyprus ANY way you want it, how would it be? Would it be a BBF? BBF is a COMPROMISE, isn't it? Now Pyrpolizer tell me: WHY are we making this compromise? Isn't it because of the Turkish Army and Turkey. If Turkey would take its army off Cyprus and declare that it doesn't give a damn about Cyprus and the TCs, what would happen next? How much negotiating power would TCs have? And would there be negotiations at all? Republic of Cyprus has every right to defend its territory ... it can't defend it from Turkey because we are too weak... but if it was just TCs then we could take back our land very easily. What TCs deserve is to be a minority like all other. The ONLY reason that they can get more than what they deserve is the Turkish Army. NOTHING else. So are you really so stupid to believe that the TCs will want to lose the ONLY reason that they get more land, power etc than what they truly deserve? Of course no ... this is why they insist on Turkish guarantees. It is a service they WANT to buy so they can maintain whatever was taken from us which they do not deserve. And for this service provided by Turkey the return will be to serve the Turkish interests in Cyprus as they have ALWAYS done.

[Get Real!]

are you planning to attack tc, is that what this is all about.

We are planning to take back our own land which you stole from us. That is why you will ALWAYS need Turkey. Because on your own you are just too weak to successfully steal from us. But you didn't need me to tell you this. You know it. This is why you insist on Turkish guarantees and you will always be the muppets of Turkey. You prefer to be the muppets of Turkey so Turkey can STEAL for you from us rather than accept to be a normal minority like all other without any external patrons.

Excellent post Sotirakis!

[Get Real!]

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