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[Pyrpolizer]

Well, Well, Well, finally the mask comes off!

I never wore masks.
It's you that you never understood anything. Have I ever agreed with you-especially with you, with all your chauvinistic attitude? Never...

[Pyrpolizer]

today is a decision day. this decision is going to be made by anastasiades. either he will choose to negotiate or stall. the future of cyprus depends on his decision.

if he chooses to stall we are all in the shit together. it is time for our gc friends to showed some metal and make their voice heard loud and clear so the politicians can hear.

Be sure Anastasiades eventually got the right man, to negotiate.Not the retard Eroglu you elected before. Just thank your Allah and do 5 prayers today for enlightening mama Turka not to mobilize the settlers like she was always doing. Otherwise the retard would still represent the REAL Tcs against their TRUE will.
Bravo lordo for voting Akinci yourself.

[B25]

As I said, it starts: http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/ ... ria-dynami

For non Greek speakers, its says basically, Akinci will do as we say and Turkey remains as a Guarantor power. Ha ha ha so much for having any power. I tend to side with my mate MrH and his earlier analysis.

[B25]

...more .....

http://www.newsit.com.cy/default.php?pn ... 1&catid=31

[Lordo]

b25 you are such an ass. who said anything about removing the guarantees. the tcs will decide but only after we see what is in the agreement. why do you want terggy to not be able to aid the tcs if you attack them. do you think we are as thick as you. ise delya vosgos gavole.

[Sotos]

Basically both you and Nikitas are partitionists. You are just the other side of Viewpoint.

The other side of a partitionist would be a "unitarist"... somebody who accepts only a solution where Cyprus is a unitary state. BBF is something between partition and a unitary state... depending on the exact arrangement BBF can be 10% partition or 90% partition. But you have to remember that partition is not the worst possible outcome ... Turkey taking control of the whole Cyprus is the worst possible outcome. And a bad solution can lead to that... and is this what Nikitas wants to ensure that it will not happen.

In hundreds of occasions I have expressed my trust to the people of Cyprus both Kypreoi and Kibrislis in living together and building a common future. You are just BOTH seeing ghosts.

Tell me when the TCs acted independently of Turkey. They are partners in the crime against Cyprus. TCs provide the excuse and Turkey provides the power. That is how it has always been... from the time that Turkey showed an interest in the TCs before the 50s until today. This will not change with any solution... you are very naive if you believe that it will.

1)Taking it for granted that the solution will be bad, and for this reason asking for the impossible to be included in that agreement/solution, is the most absurd thing I ever heard.

2)Taking this over-simplistic and one sided approach and on top of it drawing over simplistic conclusions actually makes you totally ignorant or totally naive here. Choose. I am not going to go through the whole Cyprus problem just for proving you wrong, it's blatantly obvious you are one sided and over simplistic.

In you other post you even assumed the solution will be such that Turkey will control the TCs. Why don't you go ask them yes THEM not me what one of their 3 MAIN goals are in a solution. Never you heard it is to get rid of Turkey? Do you think they like to be controlled? For the moment they have no other option... in a new state they would have the option to tell assiktir to Turkey like ourselves can say assiktir to anyone who might want to benefit on our loss.
You may assume that Turkey will never endorse to such a solution-in which she will not have direct control over the TC fed state.,and you are free to make these assumptions.
At the same time I am also free to assume that she will endorse because she would have a friendly (NOT CONTROLLED) Fed State ,by her side.

Where did I take it for granted that a solution will be bad? You are VERY naive if you believe the TCs will say "assiktir" to Turkey after a solution. Without Turkey the TCs are just a minority and they know it. They need the power of Turkey so they can take from us way more than what they deserve and then of course they pay back Turkey by doing what Turkey wants them to do. This way the TCs win, Turkey wins and we lose. If they say "assiktir" to Turkey then Turkey will say "assiktir" to them. And then what power will they have to enforce unjust and undemocratic systems in Cyprus and take more than their fair share of everything? Don't be naive Pyro. It suits BOTH the TCs and Turkey to be partners in crimes against Cyprus and this will NOT change under any solution. Therefore we can not accept a solution which gives power to the Turkish muppets to control the whole island because that would be WORST than the status quo or any other partition. The TCs can have self-rule over a region but they can NOT take decisions for the WHOLE Cyprus... that would be disastrous for us.

[Pyrpolizer]

And B25 stop posting newspaper articles that draw conclusions out of their asses. Read carefully what the telegram says and THEN compare the content with those dictated "conclusions". Don't be such a sheep.
If you really want to read something really valid, read the interview of our Foreign Prime Minister Mr kasoulides .

[Pyrpolizer]

1 Where did I take it for granted that a solution will be bad? 2 You are VERY naive if you believe the TCs will say "assiktir" to Turkey after a solution. Without Turkey the TCs are just a minority and they know it. They need the power of Turkey so they can take from us way more than what they deserve and then of course they pay back Turkey by doing what Turkey wants them to do. This way the TCs win, Turkey wins and we lose. If they say "assiktir" to Turkey then Turkey will say "assiktir" to them. And then what power will they have to enforce unjust and undemocratic systems in Cyprus and take more than their fair share of everything? Don't be naive Pyro. It suits BOTH the TCs and Turkey to be partners in crimes against Cyprus and this will NOT change under any solution. Therefore we can not accept a solution which gives power to the Turkish muppets to control the whole island because that would be WORST than the status quo or any other partition. The TCs can have self-rule over a region but they can NOT take decisions for the WHOLE Cyprus... that would be disastrous for us.

1)you were referring to Nikitas' arguments and i replied specifically on those
2)Sorry I don't share this view. We are talking for a new state, a Federal state that will be financed from the Central Fed State. If this is your fear we could easily have a term in the solution that any external aid cannot go directly to any of the Fed States, although imo it is not even needed.
I don't see any other way for the TC Fed State to be partners with Turkey in any solution, other than financial dependency. The Federal system is such that either we agree and proceed, or nothing moves. So suppose they by some chance insist that we should pass the gas via Turkey, and we disagree, then simply nothing happens. The gas stays unexploited.

[Pyrpolizer]

Furthermore if your fear is the TC politicians would be bought by Ankara to cause stagnation in serving her interests (stagnation to what, only to matters of common interest managed by the Central Fed state) then we could have referenda requiring yes directly from the people of the Fed states.
In Switzerland they hold 30-60 such referenda per year!

[Sotos]

I don't see any other way for the TC Fed State to be partners with Turkey in any solution, other than financial dependency.

You are wrong. The TCs would depend on Turkish power for (a) securing their gains on our expense (b) having even more gains on our expense. Why do you think they insist on guarantees by Turkey? Why not guarantees by UN, EU or NATO? They don't have any power themselves so Turkey provides them the power they lack. But of course Turkey will not use its power and let TCs have all the gains. So they share the gains between them. They are partners in this crime and most of their population are in agreement to this. No need for Ankara to buy any politicians.