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[Paphitis]

What the article correctly identifies is that (a) Cyprus would have got independance without the terrorism of Eoka and (b) enosis would not have resulted in Liberation but would have left Cyprus under a facist /military dictatorship.

As i have also commented in the past, I think it woukd have left Cyprus destitute, with any one with any get up and go about them getting up and going, as under Greece Cyprus would end up with a lot less buisiness and employment oppertunities than it has ever had as they would all be in Athens. One only need look ar Rural depopulation in Greece.

eoka in fact blew it, literally when Harding visited. The bombing that marked his visit brought an end before they had started to the serious negotiations which could have lead to home rule. That would have lead to the creation of an assembly which could have been based on one man one vote, no regard to ethnicity/language/religion. It would have allowed for the development of a more secure power base for big Mak. With that assembly in place, and internal stability, something not enjoyed due to conflict within the GSC community, Big Mak could have got a far better deal with independance. He however overplayed his hand as happened in 1963 with the first evil A plan, the acritas plan.

The rest is History.

What you have to understand is that to a large extent, Britain is the one that created EOKA.

They had continuously lied to Cypriots, resulting them to enlist in the British Military and fight the Nazis. Then on top of this, the British refused to accept the cultural links of Cyprus. The Greek National Anthem was banned, the Greek Flag was banned, blue pencils were made illegal, curfews introduced, and of course, they used the TCs for surveillance.

[supporttheunderdog]

What the article correctly identifies is that (a) Cyprus would have got independance without the terrorism of Eoka and (b) enosis would not have resulted in Liberation but would have left Cyprus under a facist /military dictatorship.

As i have also commented in the past, I think it woukd have left Cyprus destitute, with any one with any get up and go about them getting up and going, as under Greece Cyprus would end up with a lot less buisiness and employment oppertunities than it has ever had as they would all be in Athens. One only need look ar Rural depopulation in Greece.

eoka in fact blew it, literally when Harding visited. The bombing that marked his visit brought an end before they had started to the serious negotiations which could have lead to home rule. That would have lead to the creation of an assembly which could have been based on one man one vote, no regard to ethnicity/language/religion. It would have allowed for the development of a more secure power base for big Mak. With that assembly in place, and internal stability, something not enjoyed due to conflict within the GSC community, Big Mak could have got a far better deal with independance. He however overplayed his hand as happened in 1963 with the first evil A plan, the acritas plan.

The rest is History.[/quo

British colonialism is history. Take your bases and fuck off!

I quite agree that as a part of a comprehensive settlement the SBA should be abolished. I am however staying.

[supporttheunderdog]

What the article correctly identifies is that (a) Cyprus would have got independance without the terrorism of Eoka and (b) enosis would not have resulted in Liberation but would have left Cyprus under a facist /military dictatorship.

As i have also commented in the past, I think it woukd have left Cyprus destitute, with any one with any get up and go about them getting up and going, as under Greece Cyprus would end up with a lot less buisiness and employment oppertunities than it has ever had as they would all be in Athens. One only need look ar Rural depopulation in Greece.

eoka in fact blew it, literally when Harding visited. The bombing that marked his visit brought an end before they had started to the serious negotiations which could have lead to home rule. That would have lead to the creation of an assembly which could have been based on one man one vote, no regard to ethnicity/language/religion. It would have allowed for the development of a more secure power base for big Mak. With that assembly in place, and internal stability, something not enjoyed due to conflict within the GSC community, Big Mak could have got a far better deal with independance. He however overplayed his hand as happened in 1963 with the first evil A plan, the acritas plan.

The rest is History.[/quo

British colonialism is history. Take your bases and fuck off!

I quite agree that as a part of a comprehensive settlement the SBA should be abolished. I am however staying.

[Sotos]

I quite agree that as a part of a comprehensive settlement the SBA should be abolished. I am however staying.

Why should the bases be part of a "comprehensive settlement"? Is that an admittance that the UK is using the Turkish minority for its own interests?

[supporttheunderdog]

I quite agree that as a part of a comprehensive settlement the SBA should be abolished. I am however staying.

Why should the bases be part of a "comprehensive settlement"? Is that an admittance that the UK is using the Turkish minority for its own interests?

No its not, but as I see it where the SBA are established under treaties which have to be undone as a part of the settlement process which involve Greece and Turkey as guarantor powers then it cannot properly be done outside of that process. This is particularly against the background that the Turkish Invaders have made claims on some of territory in the SBA if Britain were to abandon them.

[miltiades]

The commencement of the struggle to free Cyprus from British rule was not only justified but necessary.
I remember the day very clearly, although barely 9 years old I couldn't wait to join the struggle.

Cyprus had every right to demand the end of British rule, we had every right to be given the unenviable right to chart our own destiny.

Turkish occupation of our northern parts will eventually come to an end, many occupiers have come and gone, Turkey will too.

[supporttheunderdog]

The commencement of the struggle to free Cyprus from British rule was not only justified but necessary.
I remember the day very clearly, although barely 9 years old I couldn't wait to join the struggle.

Cyprus had every right to demand the end of British rule, we had every right to be given the unenviable right to chart our own destiny.

Turkish occupation of our northern parts will eventually come to an end, many occupiers have come and gone, Turkey will too.

It is not the struggle I have any problem with, but the means used....terrorism .... I think that almost certainly by the later middle 1960's, under the post 63 Labour Government, Cyprus would have been granted independence, and possibly before if big Mak had played his cards right in the late 1950's, and then probably on better terms.

[Pyrpolizer]

As for where people choose to live, how is that relevant to justifying colonialism or invasion? Please tell me. Respecting sovereignty and allowing free movement is not mutually excuse is it? Otherwise, what is the EU about?

Who said it is relevant to invasion or colonialism? It is very relevant to one of the core issues of Eoka's struggle be it that WE PREFER be with our poor real mother (Greece) than with a rich step mother (England). You can't support the Eoka struggle and the ideals behind it, and the very next day go become a UK citizen. You can't one day tell you better be in poverty together with Greece and the very next day emigrate to England to become rich. If you really hated the British and their colonialpractices your would never want to be a f*king British yourself and inherit that to your children.

It's been 50 years that the British left and there is not a single tiny town or village in Cyprus that doesn't look "British" to any 3rd party- tourist. Most of our shop signs and labels, most of our company names are in English. Looking to rent a house? Just look for english text "FOR RENT" or TO BE LET...

[Paphitis]

I quite agree that as a part of a comprehensive settlement the SBA should be abolished. I am however staying.

Why should the bases be part of a "comprehensive settlement"? Is that an admittance that the UK is using the Turkish minority for its own interests?

No its not, but as I see it where the SBA are established under treaties which have to be undone as a part of the settlement process which involve Greece and Turkey as guarantor powers then it cannot properly be done outside of that process. This is particularly against the background that the Turkish Invaders have made claims on some of territory in the SBA if Britain were to abandon them.

We don't want any Guarantor powers.

So here lies the problem. No one has ever allowed the Cypriots to form their own identity or nation at any stage. Even today, Turkey is trying to undermine Cypriots from ever establishing a viable country through its insistence on "Guarantees". There is a much larger grand plan, and Turkey wants to take over the island no matter how much that is impossible today or deny it for now. Things may change in the future for them where they will try to achieve their master plan which could be decades from now.

[Pyrpolizer]

The commencement of the struggle to free Cyprus from British rule was not only justified but necessary.
I remember the day very clearly, although barely 9 years old I couldn't wait to join the struggle.

Cyprus had every right to demand the end of British rule, we had every right to be given the unenviable right to chart our own destiny.

Turkish occupation of our northern parts will eventually come to an end, many occupiers have come and gone, Turkey will too.

It is not the struggle I have any problem with, but the means used....terrorism .... I think that almost certainly by the later middle 1960's, under the post 63 Labour Government, Cyprus would have been granted independence, and possibly before if big Mak had played his cards right in the late 1950's, and then probably on better terms.

What means would you propose? Asking nicely was tried and failed. Doing demonstrations was tried and failed. Pulling the leg of every Governor that came was tried and failed.Believing false promises giving our lives for British wars was tried and failed.Crying like chicken was tried and failed....

I am not convinced either pro or against the Eoka thing.I don't hold solid views on the matter. What I am sure of however is that all sides be it British and the Kypreoi were hypocrites, and along with the Kibrislis were firstly looking at their own pockets.Oh and let's not forget about Turkey and Greece who joined the fiesta.