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[Paphitis]

I ve heard in the news that if this pilot was really a psychopath with proven medical record, Insurance companies won't pay.
And if they won't Lufthansa may go bankrupt having to pay it all out of their own pocket.
Any comments?

Well, there you go. There's the incentive for an Airline to instigate a cover-up.

Lufthansa wont be too concerned other than any potential damage to their rep and product.

In fact, compensation will be very difficult for the families if Lufthansa will make it difficult. They would have all their bases covered, legally, and the airline will be represented by the best lawyers money can buy - some experts in Aviation Law, Medical Advisors, and various experts in their field.

However, I think it will be very likely that Lufthansa will make the families some kind of out of court settlement of around 100 million for all the families. it would be pretty rare for an airline like Lufthansa to fight the families all the way, but of course they do have grounds to do so and even win. It will be self defeating to do so, because of the negative publicity and the media spotlight that they won't be wanting it.

[Paphitis]

I’m sick and tired of hearing about passenger planes falling out the sky in the last year or two… it’s gotten to a ridiculous level!

I don’t care what the reason was… hijack, lowjack, sidejack… there’s always a human Jack involved I noticed, and I’ll be glad when all stupid Jacks (pilots) are completely removed from planes and replaced by computers.

I want to see the day when there’s no cockpit or front windows even, but a sealed-off server in full control and preferably running under software that I’ve written!

I’ve even got a name for the system… NoJackShit!

You can put yourself and your own family on such a plane. From me its a no thanks.

I prefer the human link.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html

You're just another victim of the stupid media hype and over reaction, and conned to believe that some how the flight computers are less fallible than the pilots themselves. in fact, the automation and technology has created a whole new set of problems and risks and even caused a number of accidents.

[Paphitis]

I ve heard in the news that if this pilot was really a psychopath with proven medical record, Insurance companies won't pay.
And if they won't Lufthansa may go bankrupt having to pay it all out of their own pocket.
Any comments?

Well, there you go. There's the incentive for an Airline to instigate a cover-up.

Well it looks like Lufthansa has wasted no time and already made the victim's families an offer of €50,000 per victim.

this is not an airline that is running scared it would seem.

The negotiations will begin once the families elect or hire the legal representatives.

[miltiades]

Paphitis wrote:
" With the current deplorable media hype, it might become the norm that a pilot does not report that Alcoholic binge, or anything else that may effect his or her performance. "

What is deplorable about reporting a human tragedy involving men women children and babies ? Media hype ?

Its a tragedy that was, as it appears caused by a mentally unstable individual. What did you expect the media to do. Ignore the story ?

What hype ?

You start hurling insults at me , pots and pans, old man , fucking stupid etc. Sure signs that you should not be transporting kangaroos from one part of Australia to another.

One does not have to be either a regular flyer or know anything about the workings of an aircraft, all that I know is that one sick individual caused the murder of 149 people, selling pots and pans as you put it does not invariably preclude me from understanding the sheer tragedy caused by one individual.

Grow up and look after your cargo, you did say you are a cargo pilot didn't you ?

[Robin Hood]

I'm going to wait for the results from the FDR before I comment ...... as Paphitis rightly says ......... maybe the plethora of media 20-20 hindsight experts should do the same.

As for flying in an aircraft controlled by computers ..... they are already ..... several of them all programmed differently by different programmers to achieve the same thing. Usually it is at least a two-out-of-three voting system. This is the lengths the designers go to make flying safe. If you have no pilot to take over when the computer goes 'sick' what happens when some computer geek hacker takes over the controls for a bit of fun? Remote control of aircraft has been available for years but has never been implemented because of the dangers.

Paphitis ..... I can only agree 100% with your comments.

[miltiades]

The information so far reveal that the co pilot locked the Captain out of the cockpit. The captain could be heard banging on the door softly first and then vigorously. Screams from passengers here audible a few minutes before the crash.

Wait for what ?

It has also been revealed that the co pilot had psychological issues. You don't have be a genius to work it out.
A deranged individual intentionally caused the aircraft to crash killing himself and 149 passengers.

This will be the verdict, if its not already.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis wrote:
" With the current deplorable media hype, it might become the norm that a pilot does not report that Alcoholic binge, or anything else that may effect his or her performance. "

What is deplorable about reporting a human tragedy involving men women children and babies ? Media hype ?

Nothing deplorable about some sensible media coverage, however, all the armchair and panel discussions about the alleged psychological state of a pilot is extremely unhelpful at this early stage if we are truly concerned about safety. Then, all the recommendations about pilot monitoring has the potential to turn all the existing safety procedures regarding pilot fitness to something which is not in the interests of Flight Crews or the travelling public. A few real experts have already come out to highlight the dangerous turf in which this could go.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... eas-lubitz

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... ay-experts

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... ay-experts

The above media reports from people who do know their subject is what I call serious and balanced reporting, not the consumer mass media junk fed to the masses in order to create hysterical hype.

This proves one thing in my opinion. The Australian led search and investigation of MH370 was the most serious and well conducted operation in recent times. But the authorities are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The guarded disclosure was warranted, and the French should have been more careful. In the end, I prefer the conspiracy theories compared to this over-reaction to a very random and unpredictable event which has everyone in a spin and threatens to undo all the great work the industry has done over the decades.

Its a tragedy that was, as it appears caused by a mentally unstable individual. What did you expect the media to do. Ignore the story ?

What hype ?

You start hurling insults at me , pots and pans, old man , fucking stupid etc. Sure signs that you should not be transporting kangaroos from one part of Australia to another.

One does not have to be either a regular flyer or know anything about the workings of an aircraft, all that I know is that one sick individual caused the murder of 149 people, selling pots and pans as you put it does not invariably preclude me from understanding the sheer tragedy caused by one individual.

Grow up and look after your cargo, you did say you are a cargo pilot didn't you ?

I would be very careful because are you even qualified to diagnose the FO's condition(s)? There are qualified psychologists around the world who are cautioning against this nonsense, and have stated that they are not even sure, or even capable of diagnosing such conditions in individuals without assistance from the patient.

You know NOTHING!

[Paphitis]

I'm going to wait for the results from the FDR before I comment ...... as Paphitis rightly says ......... maybe the plethora of media 20-20 hindsight experts should do the same.

As for flying in an aircraft controlled by computers ..... they are already ..... several of them all programmed differently by different programmers to achieve the same thing. Usually it is at least a two-out-of-three voting system. This is the lengths the designers go to make flying safe. If you have no pilot to take over when the computer goes 'sick' what happens when some computer geek hacker takes over the controls for a bit of fun? Remote control of aircraft has been available for years but has never been implemented because of the dangers.

Paphitis ..... I can only agree 100% with your comments.

Automation can also go the other way.

I was on a selection panel for a period of 12 months. 3 panel committee comprising Deputy Chief Pilot, a line pilot, and a HR specialist to make sure we behaved ourselves.

This was during the boom, and we were flying pilots in from the UK, Germany, and other Asian Countries on sponsored 457 work visas. There was a shortage.

We had on old guy, with 20,000 hours plus, was a former RAAF Pilot, then worked for the now defunct Ansett Airlines and then migrated to work for a prominent Asian Airline flying B777.

We briefed him about the sim exercise we wanted him to do - Cairns International VHF Omni Range Instrument Approach to the Minimum Descent Altitiude.

Outbound leg was fine but at 2 minutes here turned the wrong way and flew towards terrain.

How can someone do that? Well, this guy was flying highly automated Glass Aircraft, therefore, situational awareness can be an issue. All of a sudden, when you actually have to fly, pilots can get themselves into a bit of trouble particularly under high pressure and work loads where even very simple yet life threatening mistakes are made.

Suffice to say, I actually still voted in favour of the guy but I was over ruled. I justified my decision based on the individuals background, history, experience and I tried to justify his error in this way.

[miltiades]

Reports are already coming out about the co pilots mental condition. His ex says that he told her " one day the world would know about me"

Thelis che papa na sou to pi . The guy was sick, very sick, he caused the crash murdering 149 passengers.
This will be unconditionally confirmed very soon.

One hell of a sick man causing the death of so many. A fucking barbarian.

[Paphitis]

Reports are already coming out about the co pilots mental condition. His ex says that he told her " one day the world would know about me"

Thelis che papa na sou to pi . The guy was sick, very sick, he caused the crash murdering 149 passengers.
This will be unconditionally confirmed very soon.

One hell of a sick man causing the death of so many. A fucking barbarian.

maybe you should do the right thing and spit on these reports.

i want to see the qualifications of the persons who seem to not only think they are crash investigators, but Psychologists to as well!

I have already given you some better quality material for you to read from the Guardian. Did you read them? Go and read them before going off all half-cocked.