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by **Pyrpolizer** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:18 pm

Paphits you pilots are already going through medical tests to retain your license. What's wrong with one more test regarding one's mental health?
Notice that the examples you provided -lets take that of a person going through divorce , may well classify one as going through bad mood, but this psychological reaction is totally healthy. Specialists know when such conditions become a disease, usually it's when the person can't cope for a prolonged time , the symptoms don't ease with time, and or the person becomes totally irresponsive .
When a person suffers from severe depression for no reason, that's a actually a serious disease , and most clinical psychologists can diagnose it very easily.
btw a person who is about to commit suicide exposes well recognized patterns of behavior one of them been it starts getting rid of everything with which he has an emotional attachment. Photographs, wedding rings, sports equipment, etc. When a psychologically ill person gets diagnosed as having suicidal tendencies on top of everything, usually the doctor advices the relatives of what "signs" they should watch out.It's not something that can go unnoticed.

by **miltiades** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:37 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:You are deviating from the main substance of this tragedy. One fucking lunatic decides to take down an aircraft full of people and murder them. Who gives a shit what the media may or may not say. The fact is this fucking barbarian took the lives of so many people, the public have a right that the industry is seen to impose stringent controls as to who can and who can not be in charge of their lives. I dont really care about the methods used provided that when I get on a plane I will be safe in the hands of whoever happens to be in control of the aircraft.

Grow up now, I will never fly with ...you in control!!

You're the fucking lunatic and should stick to selling pots and pans.

So far, only the lead French Investigator has made such a claim and perhaps he was a little premature about releasing such information from the CVR.

The FDR has not even been recovered yet.

This investigator is not a Judge or prosecutor and shouldn't be making such calls without having collected and analyzed all the evidence.

Why don't you do me a favour and piss off you argumentative fucking Plonker. Who gives a shit about your views, you seem to be eagerly promoting the idea that this lunatic who murdered innocent passengers was not responsible, only the media.
What I have said is that passengers have a right to get on a plane and reach their destination safely, I don't give a shit about the feelings that you as a so called pilot might have on the matter. Safety man, that's what we the passengers demand and deserve. In time evidence will emerge that this lunatic suffered from a major mental disorder. As for your stupid comparison of an aircraft pilot to a bus driver, may I remind you that in a bus crash some passengers survive, none on a plane crash.

by **miltiades** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:51 pm

"Andreas Lubitz was receiving treatment for a medical condition up until the day of the crash, it has been revealed.

The co-pilot had written a number of sick notes, including one dated to the day of the crash, but they were found torn to bits at his home."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... es-5409348

by **Pyrpolizer** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:20 am

miltiades wrote:Why don't you do me a favour and piss off you argumentative fucking Plonker. Who gives a shit about your views, you seem to be eagerly promoting the idea that this lunatic who murdered innocent passengers was not responsible, only the media.
What I have said is that passengers have a right to get on a plane and reach their destination safely, I don't give a shit about the feelings that you as a so called pilot might have on the matter. Safety man, that's what we the passengers demand and deserve. In time evidence will emerge that this lunatic suffered from a major mental disorder. As for your stupid comparison of an aircraft pilot to a bus driver, may I remind you that in a bus crash some passengers survive, none on a plane crash.

Would you consider it safe if the plane cargo included among other commodities a few 100 kilos of properly packed, fully in accordance with civil aviation rules, EXPLOSIVES?

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:32 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:I ve heard in the news that if this pilot was really a psychopath with proven medical record, Insurance companies won't pay.
And if they won't Lufthansa may go bankrupt having to pay it all out of their own pocket.
Any comments?

Well, there you go. There's the incentive for an Airline to instigate a cover-up.

by **Paphitis** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:47 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:I ve heard in the news that if this pilot was really a psychopath with proven medical record, Insurance companies won't pay.
And if they won't Lufthansa may go bankrupt having to pay it all out of their own pocket.
Any comments?

The news has gotten too far ahead of itself as per usual, which justifies why there should be very limited disclosure to the public until all evidence is gathered just like during MH370.

Lufthansa has denied all reports that the FO was unfit to fly. Further to this, they would have all the evidence to prove this such as the FOs medical Checks and his own record. Insurance will pay and if they do not, Lufthansa will NOT go bankrupt. It's a colossus and it is mega cashed up.

If they need to, they can even cancel an A380 option.

by **Paphitis** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:53 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphits you pilots are already going through medical tests to retain your license. What's wrong with one more test regarding one's mental health?
Notice that the examples you provided -lets take that of a person going through divorce , may well classify one as going through bad mood, but this psychological reaction is totally healthy. Specialists know when such conditions become a disease, usually it's when the person can't cope for a prolonged time , the symptoms don't ease with time, and or the person becomes totally irresponsive .
When a person suffers from severe depression for no reason, that's a actually a serious disease , and most clinical psychologists can diagnose it very easily.
btw a person who is about to commit suicide exposes well recognized patterns of behavior one of them been it starts getting rid of everything with which he has an emotional attachment. Photographs, wedding rings, sports equipment, etc. When a psychologically ill person gets diagnosed as having suicidal tendencies on top of everything, usually the doctor advices the relatives of what "signs" they should watch out.It's not something that can go unnoticed.

Firstly, ask any health care worker to find out whether another test will be successful in uncovering the types of conditions the FO suffered from. The answer to this will be a resounding no!

Secondly, this has the potential in getting Pilots way offside. That's not good.

I will give you some examples. With the current deplorable media hype, it might become the norm that a pilot does not report that Alcoholic binge, or anything else that may effect his or her performance. Going through a messy divorce, custody battle, or parents just died, no problem, I wont take 3 months off and I will continue to fly.

The possible permutations are numerous Pyro and it is not going to contribute to safety at all! Quite the opposite in fact.

by **Paphitis** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:58 am

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:You are deviating from the main substance of this tragedy. One fucking lunatic decides to take down an aircraft full of people and murder them. Who gives a shit what the media may or may not say. The fact is this fucking barbarian took the lives of so many people, the public have a right that the industry is seen to impose stringent controls as to who can and who can not be in charge of their lives. I dont really care about the methods used provided that when I get on a plane I will be safe in the hands of whoever happens to be in control of the aircraft.

Grow up now, I will never fly with ...you in control!!

You're the fucking lunatic and should stick to selling pots and pans.

So far, only the lead French Investigator has made such a claim and perhaps he was a little premature about releasing such information from the CVR.

The FDR has not even been recovered yet.

This investigator is not a Judge or prosecutor and shouldn't be making such calls without having collected and analyzed all the evidence.

Why don't you do me a favour and piss off you argumentative fucking Plonker. Who gives a shit about your views, you seem to be eagerly promoting the idea that this lunatic who murdered innocent passengers was not responsible, only the media.
What I have said is that passengers have a right to get on a plane and reach their destination safely, I don't give a shit about the feelings that you as a so called pilot might have on the matter. Safety man, that's what we the passengers demand and deserve. In time evidence will emerge that this lunatic suffered from a major mental disorder. As for your stupid comparison of an aircraft pilot to a bus driver, may I remind you that in a bus crash some passengers survive, none on a plane crash.

Don't be an idiot old man! I never said such a thing.

I have legitimate concerns about the possible ramifications of this and the effects on safety. I fly 2 to 3 times a week, unlike yourself, who probably only flies about a dozen times a year.

If I sold pots and pans, I might well be more concerned with the latest Chinese manufacturing techniques or burn safety.

by **Linichka** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:39 am

There is no means of preventing such a tragedy as occurred on the Germanwings flight. Lone psychopaths with an agenda cannot be predicted.

Nor can they be excused.

I am sorry for his parents, for his girlfriend - but far sorrier for the friends and families of those this piece of shit decided to take down with him.

by **Get Real!** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:45 am

I’m sick and tired of hearing about passenger planes falling out the sky in the last year or two… it’s gotten to a ridiculous level!

I don’t care what the reason was… hijack, lowjack, sidejack… there’s always a human Jack involved I noticed, and I’ll be glad when all stupid Jacks (pilots) are completely removed from planes and replaced by computers.

I want to see the day when there’s no cockpit or front windows even, but a sealed-off server in full control and preferably running under software that I’ve written!

I’ve even got a name for the system… NoJackShit!