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[Paphitis]

From the very start it was ESTABLISHED that one sick pilot committed this hideous acts. Personally I don't give a toss if the investigators did or did not follow correct procedures. The victims are the 149 innocent passengers and their bereaved families. Who cares if the correct, according to Paphitis, procedures were followed or not. One mentally unstable sick bastard decided to end his miserable life and that of 149 passengers. To hell with protocol and the nonsense spouted by Paphitis, passengers have a right to demand that a fucking psycho is not in charge of their lives.
The media reported correctly. Paphitis, you are out of order, nobody gives a shit whether the media or the investigators were premature in their announcements. The fact of the matter is that one sick bastard, hoodwinked the system, a system that has to be vigorously tightened, a system that demands and expects absolute safety. Paphitis seems to be more concerned with splitting hairs than the real issue, in that any sick individual can again commit what this sick fucker did.

Well look at it this way Milti. Suppose the airlines so as you suggest, and the pilots disagree and go on international strike.
Then the problem of how you return from Belarus will be all yours.
You will most probably need to take ship. It won't take you 3 hours to return to London but 3 weeks

Since Belarus is landlocked, ship is not an option. Overland Its about 2200 KM. Three or four days leisurely drive, or about 28 hours by train. The old codger is home anyway.

The problem is that with several likely incidents of murder-suicide by air-crew, the airlines and the authorities have to be seen to be doing something, albeit that the number of incidents is small and the percentage chance of being affected is very small indeed, and that there are no foolproof methods of weeding out the lunatics. I think the aircrew would loose a lot of respect among the masses if they want on strike because it was perceived they were against safety measures introduced following this incident, whether or not the safety measures proposed were sensible or not.

However what alternative rational proposals does anyone have, to reduce the risk further?

The airlines are doing something. You are just being led to believe that they are not.

The health and wellbeing of Flight Crew is always a serious concern to an Airline and to the Unions representing pilots.

Medicals do contain a thorough questionnaire, pilots are tested for drugs and medicines regularly. There is not much else that can be done without infringing on other areas and processes.

The Airlines don't need to do a single thing. The safety record speaks for itself. Just because an air crash kills 150 is no reason to introduce fly by night legislation which the Airlines and Unions will not support.

The media and public are barking up the wrong tree. I can think of some serious market driven concerns which are making aviation unsafer. If only people knew or were able to do some research. These concerns will kill a few thousand over the next decade.

All I can say is, choose your airlines wisely. Lufthansa is not one of the Airlines anyone should be worried about.

Neither is Malaysian.

[miltiades]

" Just because an air crash kills 150 is no reason to introduce fly by night legislation which the Airlines and Unions will not support."

An air crash ?? Are you serious ? That was NO air crush any more than the premeditated killing of thousands on 9/11.

The industry will, l I'm sure, introduce whatever measures required so that another psycho does not pass through the net and cause another tragedy.

[Paphitis]

" Just because an air crash kills 150 is no reason to introduce fly by night legislation which the Airlines and Unions will not support."

An air crash ?? Are you serious ? That was NO air crush any more than the premeditated killing of thousands on 9/11.

The industry will, l I'm sure, introduce whatever measures required so that another psycho does not pass through the net and cause another tragedy.

The industry is not reactionary and any new measures will need to prove they will benefit safety and if that is not possible then they new measures won't fly.

We already have enough measures of our own.

The industry will not devise any measures which will piss off the pilots otherwise planes won't fly. So yes, under such a scenario, you might very well get to the airport to catch your flight only to find out that your service is cancelled.

[miltiades]

" Just because an air crash kills 150 is no reason to introduce fly by night legislation which the Airlines and Unions will not support."

An air crash ?? Are you serious ? That was NO air crush any more than the premeditated killing of thousands on 9/11.

The industry will, l I'm sure, introduce whatever measures required so that another psycho does not pass through the net and cause another tragedy.

The industry is not reactionary and any new measures will need to prove they will benefit safety and if that is not possible then they new measures won't fly.

We already have enough measures of our own.

Rubbish ! I have been flying almost monthly for the last 20 plus years. I have yet to have a flight cancelled.

The industry will not devise any measures which will piss off the pilots otherwise planes won't fly. So yes, under such a scenario, you might very well get to the airport to catch your flight only to find out that your service is cancelled.

[Paphitis]

You can't get anymore idiotic if you tried.

The industry doesn't need any reactionary change because of a 1 in a billion freak event especially when there are bigger issues that need to be confronted.

All they have to do is wait for this hype to die down, and then influence the change they are willing to accept which will of course involve no psychological profiling or anything else they deem to be counterproductive to safety or is just a waste of time which is most of the rubbish that has been talked about in the mass media.

If they are not heard, then they will engage in activities which will result in all aircraft parked up at the gate.

[miltiades]

You can't get anymore idiotic if you tried.

The industry doesn't need any reactionary change because of a 1 in a billion freak event especially when there are bigger issues that need to be confronted.

All they have to do is wait for this hype to die down, and then influence the change they are willing to accept which will of course involve no psychological profiling or anything else they deem to be counterproductive to safety or is just a waste of time which is most of the rubbish that has been talked about in the mass media.

If they are not heard, then they will engage in activities which will result in all aircraft parked up at the gate.

You naïve, wet behind the ears Steward, try telling the families of those murdered by a fucking lunatic that there are bigger issues. The issue here stupid is that the aviation industry has led people down by not vetting a man responsible for the lives of so many. I hope they scrutinise your idiotic self and NEVER give you the chance of being in charge of the lives of so many lives. 149 innocent men women and children murdered by a lunatic and you are concerned of " media hype" You are a fucking idiot.

[Paphitis]

You can't get anymore idiotic if you tried.

The industry doesn't need any reactionary change because of a 1 in a billion freak event especially when there are bigger issues that need to be confronted.

All they have to do is wait for this hype to die down, and then influence the change they are willing to accept which will of course involve no psychological profiling or anything else they deem to be counterproductive to safety or is just a waste of time which is most of the rubbish that has been talked about in the mass media.

If they are not heard, then they will engage in activities which will result in all aircraft parked up at the gate.

You naïve, wet behind the ears Steward, try telling the families of those murdered by a fucking lunatic that there are bigger issues. The issue here stupid is that the aviation industry has led people down by not vetting a man responsible for the lives of so many. I hope they scrutinise your idiotic self and NEVER give you the chance of being in charge of the lives of so many lives. 149 innocent men women and children murdered by a lunatic and you are concerned of " media hype" You are a fucking idiot.

It's not the families that are causing the problems.

I am positive that the families are receiving excellent communications and support from Lufthansa.

It's people like you and the media who are the problem, because the families will be looking into the situation in far more detail and understand that Lufthansa did everything in its power to keep their loved ones safe, and that their procedures and processes are second to none.

they have a vested interest in making an effort to understand as opposed to ranting hysterical stupidities such as yourself who swallow the nonsense propagated by the irresponsible media.

[miltiades]

You can't get anymore idiotic if you tried.

The industry doesn't need any reactionary change because of a 1 in a billion freak event especially when there are bigger issues that need to be confronted.

All they have to do is wait for this hype to die down, and then influence the change they are willing to accept which will of course involve no psychological profiling or anything else they deem to be counterproductive to safety or is just a waste of time which is most of the rubbish that has been talked about in the mass media.

If they are not heard, then they will engage in activities which will result in all aircraft parked up at the gate.

You naïve, wet behind the ears Steward, try telling the families of those murdered by a fucking lunatic that there are bigger issues. The issue here stupid is that the aviation industry has led people down by not vetting a man responsible for the lives of so many. I hope they scrutinise your idiotic self and NEVER give you the chance of being in charge of the lives of so many lives. 149 innocent men women and children murdered by a lunatic and you are concerned of " media hype" You are a fucking idiot.

It's not the families that are causing the problems.

I am positive that the families are receiving excellent communications and support from Lufthansa.

It's people like you and the media who are the problem, because the families will be looking into the situation in far more detail and understand that Lufthansa did everything in its power to keep their loved ones safe, and that their procedures and processes are second to none.

they have a vested interest in making an effort to understand as opposed to ranting hysterical stupidities such as yourself who swallow the nonsense propagated by the irresponsible media.

Are you really this fucking stupid, do you relay think the families of the murdered passengers are ....quite content in the knowledge that the airline did all in its power to keep their loved ones ....safe. Grow up will you, you insecure little man. You give us all this bullocks and you think that we are all fucking idiots. Look stupid. Lufthansa failed in its duty to ferry its passengers safely, because it failed to spot that they had a fucking psycho as a pilot. In time the truth will all come out. They, Lufthansa,m should have known about this fucking maniac.

I have flown on Lufthansa a few times, will not do so ever again.

[Paphitis]

You can't get anymore idiotic if you tried.

The industry doesn't need any reactionary change because of a 1 in a billion freak event especially when there are bigger issues that need to be confronted.

All they have to do is wait for this hype to die down, and then influence the change they are willing to accept which will of course involve no psychological profiling or anything else they deem to be counterproductive to safety or is just a waste of time which is most of the rubbish that has been talked about in the mass media.

If they are not heard, then they will engage in activities which will result in all aircraft parked up at the gate.

You naïve, wet behind the ears Steward, try telling the families of those murdered by a fucking lunatic that there are bigger issues. The issue here stupid is that the aviation industry has led people down by not vetting a man responsible for the lives of so many. I hope they scrutinise your idiotic self and NEVER give you the chance of being in charge of the lives of so many lives. 149 innocent men women and children murdered by a lunatic and you are concerned of " media hype" You are a fucking idiot.

It's not the families that are causing the problems.

I am positive that the families are receiving excellent communications and support from Lufthansa.

It's people like you and the media who are the problem, because the families will be looking into the situation in far more detail and understand that Lufthansa did everything in its power to keep their loved ones safe, and that their procedures and processes are second to none.

they have a vested interest in making an effort to understand as opposed to ranting hysterical stupidities such as yourself who swallow the nonsense propagated by the irresponsible media.

Are you really this fucking stupid, do you relay think the families of the murdered passengers are ....quite content in the knowledge that the airline did all in its power to keep their loved ones ....safe. Grow up will you, you insecure little man. You give us all this bullocks and you think that we are all fucking idiots. Look stupid. Lufthansa failed in its duty to ferry its passengers safely, because it failed to spot that they had a fucking psycho as a pilot. In time the truth will all come out. They, Lufthansa,m should have known about this fucking maniac.

I have flown on Lufthansa a few times, will not do so ever again.

Well you're a friggin retard!

There is no point talking to you because there is absolutely no hint in Lufthansa failing in its duty.

You're making some pretty serious allegations here, so you better put up or shut up you silly old man!

[miltiades]

" ABSOLUTELY NO HINT IN LUFTHANSA FAILING IN ITS DUTY " !!!!

This comment is indicative of your inability to grasp the reality of what caused the murder of 149 passengers. A Lufthansa pilot with previous and on going mental issues caused this tragedy, I did not appoint him as a pilot and neither did anyone else. Lufthansa did therefore failing in its duty to carry its passengers safely from A to B.

You are a first class PLONKER !