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[tsukoui]

Right I've had just about as much of this as I can take... stop squabbling over sock-puppets... anyone can see that the real reason is the Turkey/Israel nexus. They both want the same thing, the return of God's Kingdom on Earth, call it the Sultanat, call it Zion, call it whatever you want, and that's where the problems start... they've got the conception but they can't agree on anything... God's Kingdom? Right?... this is why they have created this mess in the Arab world... stop pointing at the head-chopping puppets and call time on what the problem really is... Turkey/Israel... let's ask just what is this God's Kingdom that you are after?... you who all claim to speak for God, just what is this God's Kingdom?... my only conclusion is that God is saying so many radically different things that he must be schizophrenic... call a doctor... Cypriot one please... but the BBC will never go for it...

[Lordo]

hang on a mo when did terggy get involved in this. the yanks and israelis wanted to remove assad. they armed isil/daesh or what ever you want to call them to remove assad. then they suddenly realised what kind of people they backed and backed the shi-ite militia instead which is backed by iran. what is so difficult to understand. gavole.

[Maximus]

When was Turkey out of it you mean. Just before Erdogan wanted to oust his brother Assad and set up training camps inside Turkey for the 'rebels'.

“What we have learned is that Mr Erdogan wouldn’t mind if Kurds were weakened and then annihilated,” said Roth, deputy speaker of the Bundestag and a Green Party MP.

Erdogan’s “dealings with the ISIS are unacceptable. I could not believe that Turkey harbors an ISIS militant camp in Istanbul,” Roth said. “Turkey has also allowed weapons to be transported into Syria through its borders. Also that the ISIS has been able to sell its oil via Turkey is extraordinary,” she added.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Turkey are as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of steaming poo!

[Paphitis]

Right I've had just about as much of this as I can take... stop squabbling over sock-puppets... anyone can see that the real reason is the Turkey/Israel nexus. They both want the same thing, the return of God's Kingdom on Earth, call it the Sultanat, call it Zion, call it whatever you want, and that's where the problems start... they've got the conception but they can't agree on anything... God's Kingdom? Right?... this is why they have created this mess in the Arab world... stop pointing at the head-chopping puppets and call time on what the problem really is... Turkey/Israel... let's ask just what is this God's Kingdom that you are after?... you who all claim to speak for God, just what is this God's Kingdom?... my only conclusion is that God is saying so many radically different things that he must be schizophrenic... call a doctor... Cypriot one please... but the BBC will never go for it...

What the Hell are you on about?

[tsukoui]

Right I've had just about as much of this as I can take... stop squabbling over sock-puppets... anyone can see that the real reason is the Turkey/Israel nexus. They both want the same thing, the return of God's Kingdom on Earth, call it the Sultanat, call it Zion, call it whatever you want, and that's where the problems start... they've got the conception but they can't agree on anything... God's Kingdom? Right?... this is why they have created this mess in the Arab world... stop pointing at the head-chopping puppets and call time on what the problem really is... Turkey/Israel... let's ask just what is this God's Kingdom that you are after?... you who all claim to speak for God, just what is this God's Kingdom?... my only conclusion is that God is saying so many radically different things that he must be schizophrenic... call a doctor... Cypriot one please... but the BBC will never go for it...

What the Hell are you on about?

Of course the West is not entirely free from blame, they keep looking towards the Middle East for a second coming or the next prophet or what not, since that's where they all came from before allegedly. Can you imagine a Doctor with a Cypriot accent, Harry Enfield would have a field day

[Paphitis]

Right I've had just about as much of this as I can take... stop squabbling over sock-puppets... anyone can see that the real reason is the Turkey/Israel nexus. They both want the same thing, the return of God's Kingdom on Earth, call it the Sultanat, call it Zion, call it whatever you want, and that's where the problems start... they've got the conception but they can't agree on anything... God's Kingdom? Right?... this is why they have created this mess in the Arab world... stop pointing at the head-chopping puppets and call time on what the problem really is... Turkey/Israel... let's ask just what is this God's Kingdom that you are after?... you who all claim to speak for God, just what is this God's Kingdom?... my only conclusion is that God is saying so many radically different things that he must be schizophrenic... call a doctor... Cypriot one please... but the BBC will never go for it...

What the Hell are you on about?

Of course the West is not entirely free from blame, they keep looking towards the Middle East for a second coming or the next prophet or what not, since that's where they all came from before allegedly. Can you imagine a Doctor with a Cypriot accent, Harry Enfield would have a field day

I think it's pretty pointless to look for someone to blame whilst people are being massacred by this Death Cult!

We have important responsibilities and we will never allow them to succeed. they are on the retreat.

Once they are out of the cities and making a run for the Syrian Border, we will bomb the shit out of them. Napalm and Phosphorus too!

But since you want to point fingers, then Al-Bashar Assad is the most responsible for the rise of Islamic State, but you didn't mention him did you?

[tsukoui]

Right I've had just about as much of this as I can take... stop squabbling over sock-puppets... anyone can see that the real reason is the Turkey/Israel nexus. They both want the same thing, the return of God's Kingdom on Earth, call it the Sultanat, call it Zion, call it whatever you want, and that's where the problems start... they've got the conception but they can't agree on anything... God's Kingdom? Right?... this is why they have created this mess in the Arab world... stop pointing at the head-chopping puppets and call time on what the problem really is... Turkey/Israel... let's ask just what is this God's Kingdom that you are after?... you who all claim to speak for God, just what is this God's Kingdom?... my only conclusion is that God is saying so many radically different things that he must be schizophrenic... call a doctor... Cypriot one please... but the BBC will never go for it...

What the Hell are you on about?

Of course the West is not entirely free from blame, they keep looking towards the Middle East for a second coming or the next prophet or what not, since that's where they all came from before allegedly. Can you imagine a Doctor with a Cypriot accent, Harry Enfield would have a field day

I think it's pretty pointless to look for someone to blame whilst people are being massacred by this Death Cult!

We have important responsibilities and we will never allow them to succeed. they are on the retreat.

Once they are out of the cities and making a run for the Syrian Border, we will bomb the shit out of them. Napalm and Phosphorus too!

But since you want to point fingers, then Al-Bashar Assad is the most responsible for the rise of Islamic State, but you didn't mention him did you?

The Arab Spring might have succeeded if you hadn't stirred up shit in Libya, someone told me Gaddafi was a British agent, Turkey wasn't too keen on him though...

[Paphitis]

Right I've had just about as much of this as I can take... stop squabbling over sock-puppets... anyone can see that the real reason is the Turkey/Israel nexus. They both want the same thing, the return of God's Kingdom on Earth, call it the Sultanat, call it Zion, call it whatever you want, and that's where the problems start... they've got the conception but they can't agree on anything... God's Kingdom? Right?... this is why they have created this mess in the Arab world... stop pointing at the head-chopping puppets and call time on what the problem really is... Turkey/Israel... let's ask just what is this God's Kingdom that you are after?... you who all claim to speak for God, just what is this God's Kingdom?... my only conclusion is that God is saying so many radically different things that he must be schizophrenic... call a doctor... Cypriot one please... but the BBC will never go for it...

What the Hell are you on about?

Of course the West is not entirely free from blame, they keep looking towards the Middle East for a second coming or the next prophet or what not, since that's where they all came from before allegedly. Can you imagine a Doctor with a Cypriot accent, Harry Enfield would have a field day

I think it's pretty pointless to look for someone to blame whilst people are being massacred by this Death Cult!

We have important responsibilities and we will never allow them to succeed. they are on the retreat.

Once they are out of the cities and making a run for the Syrian Border, we will bomb the shit out of them. Napalm and Phosphorus too!

But since you want to point fingers, then Al-Bashar Assad is the most responsible for the rise of Islamic State, but you didn't mention him did you?

The Arab Spring might have succeeded if you hadn't stirred up shit in Libya, someone told me Gaddafi was a British agent, Turkey wasn't too keen on him though...

What's Libya got to do with it now?

Libya was part of the Arab Spring for your info. They wanted Qaddafi out. I don't agree with the way it was done, or how they killed him, or the fact that the Spring was taken over by other Fundamentalists. The same thing in Egypt. Everyone wanted Mubarak out and those that took over was the Islamic Brotherhood and now every Egyptian wants Mubarak back.

The facts are very clear. Islamic State was born in Syria? Why? Because Assad never gave the Sunnis a bone. If he did, this would not be going on.

Then Islamic State took control of half of Syria. From there, they spread there operations to Iraq.

So the finger should be pointed directly towards Assad first, then the Iraqi government after. You can also point the finger towards Iran.

I am afraid, there are much larger forces at play here. For instance, this is/was a proxy was between the Gulf States and Iran.

[tsukoui]

What the Hell are you on about?

Of course the West is not entirely free from blame, they keep looking towards the Middle East for a second coming or the next prophet or what not, since that's where they all came from before allegedly. Can you imagine a Doctor with a Cypriot accent, Harry Enfield would have a field day

I think it's pretty pointless to look for someone to blame whilst people are being massacred by this Death Cult!

We have important responsibilities and we will never allow them to succeed. they are on the retreat.

Once they are out of the cities and making a run for the Syrian Border, we will bomb the shit out of them. Napalm and Phosphorus too!

But since you want to point fingers, then Al-Bashar Assad is the most responsible for the rise of Islamic State, but you didn't mention him did you?

The Arab Spring might have succeeded if you hadn't stirred up shit in Libya, someone told me Gaddafi was a British agent, Turkey wasn't too keen on him though...

What's Libya got to do with it now?

Libya was part of the Arab Spring for your info. They wanted Qaddafi out. I don't agree with the way it was done, or how they killed him, or the fact that the Spring was taken over by other Fundamentalists. The same thing in Egypt. Everyone wanted Mubarak out and those that took over was the Islamic Brotherhood and now every Egyptian wants Mubarak back.

The facts are very clear. Islamic State was born in Syria? Why? Because Assad never gave the Sunnis a bone. If he did, this would not be going on.

Then Islamic State took control of half of Syria. From there, they spread there operations to Iraq.

So the finger should be pointed directly towards Assad first, then the Iraqi government after. You can also point the finger towards Iran.

I am afraid, there are much larger forces at play here. For instance, this is/was a proxy was between the Gulf States and Iran.

My dear Paphitis, my intention wasn't to point fingers. We are imagining this scenario, we have factions that we are playing against each other, factions that are in our mind. The West is trying to get a handle on Islam, so it picks Sunni/Shia. In fact all Muslims are Sunni by definition, following in the footsteps of the prophet (saw), Shia is just a political designation and not a religious one, if the West allowed the Muslim world to have ownership of its politics we would see a much more civilized discussion between Shia and non-Shia. Assad is also a political force. The Arab Spring was a political movement. But what has happened is deeper than that, it is about the word of God, and for that we have to look to the source which is Turkey/Israel or should I say the Khalifat/Zion and how we are imagining them. Christians, Muslims, we are all Jews, being children of Adam (sas), this was one of the miracles of the prophet Isa (sas). Libya has everything to do with it, because the Arab Spring was progressive in its conception and the stability of Libya would have acted like Cuba to the rest of Latin America, which has moved away from dictatorship towards progressive politics. Now Cuba is talking about electoral reform, Libya would have moved in that direction eventually, once the Arab Spring had established itself as a genuine progressive people driven movement, but the West and its dictatorial allies in the Gulf, for petty self-interests concocted an uprising in Libya to stifle the Arab Spring. But my point is that all of these finger pointing is just looking at politics and not at what we are really fighting for, why we have these factions in our mind, what synthesis we are trying to reach through violent dialectics. We have to go deep into the source, sift through the seas of time and re-imagine our foundations which are adopted Judeo-Christian-Islam. Why did we adopt them in the first place, what promises did they offer, and which do we want them to keep. The dead will rise again, heaven will come to earth, these are the things we are fighting for, but we lack the subtlety of the martial artist and rush into conflict for short-term gains. My dear Paphitis, I could unmask you before the press as the agent you are, but I'd much rather you joined me in imagining a world that is beautiful.