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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:51 am

Maximus wrote:So who here is the son of a single celled amoeba?

Ultimately through the process of evolution every living thing on earth today.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Maximus » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:53 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Maximus wrote:So who here is the son of a single celled amoeba?

Ultimately through the process of evolution every living thing on earth today.


Alright, but I prefer the son of god.

It has a powerful ring to it.

You are the son of god.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Lordo » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:06 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:not that i have read the quran but i understand that there is no verse in the quran encouraging anybody to kill anybody. it is only an interpretation which is abused by the fanatics to commit murder.

is there any verse in the bible to encourage moses to kill somebody.

i always thought that bible taught us to turn the other cheek if one is slapped. is this not the case. have i been wrong all these years.


See Lordo we are brave enough to question our own supposed "religion"
I haven't heard a single word from you after Paphitis' enlightening post for your supposed "religion" :lol: :lol:

this is no interpretation of no upside down koala baby, this is straight out of the bible. but i only see the word kill once here

<<<<<And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out>>>>

this sounds like self defence to me. read below and weep boy. particularly how he killed and why. strewth me old cobber take a walk into the outback and clear your mind ffs.

The holy bible – International version
Numbers 24:24 Page 216

Moab Seduces Israel
25 While Israel was staying in Shittim, the men began to indulge in sexual immortality with Moaite women, who invited them to the sacrifices to their gods. The people ate and bowed down before these gods. SO Israel joined in the worshipping the Bael of Peor. And the Lords anger burned against them.
The Lord said to Moses, “Take all the leaders of these people, kill them and expose them in broad daylight before the Lord’s fierce anger may turn away from Israel”.
So Moses said to Israel’s judges, “Each of you must put to death those of your men who have joined in the worshipping of Baal of Peor.”
Then Israelite man brought his family a Midianite woman right before the eyes of Moses and the whole assembly of Israel while they were weeping at the entrance of the Tent of Meeting. When Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest, saw this, he left the assembly, took a spear in his hand and followed the Israelite into the tent. He drove the spear through both of them – through the Israelite and into the woman’s body. Then the plague against the Israelites was stopped; but those who died in the plague numbered 24,000.
Then Lord said to Moses, Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest has turned my anger away from the Israelites; for he the zealous as I am for my honour among them, so that in my zeal I did not put an end to them.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Maximus » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:12 am

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:not that i have read the quran but i understand that there is no verse in the quran encouraging anybody to kill anybody. it is only an interpretation which is abused by the fanatics to commit murder.

is there any verse in the bible to encourage moses to kill somebody.

i always thought that bible taught us to turn the other cheek if one is slapped. is this not the case. have i been wrong all these years.


See Lordo we are brave enough to question our own supposed "religion"
I haven't heard a single word from you after Paphitis' enlightening post for your supposed "religion" :lol: :lol:

this is no interpretation of no upside down koala baby, this is straight out of the bible.

The holy bible – International version
Numbers 24:24 Page 216

Moab Seduces Israel
25 While Israel was staying in Shittim, the men began to indulge in sexual immortality with Moaite women, who invited them to the sacrifices to their gods. The people ate and bowed down before these gods. SO Israel joined in the worshipping the Bael of Peor. And the Lords anger burned against them.
The Lord said to Moses, “Take all the leaders of these people, kill them and expose them in broad daylight before the Lord’s fierce anger may turn away from Israel”.
So Moses said to Israel’s judges, “Each of you must put to death those of your men who have joined in the worshipping of Baal of Peor.”
Then Israelite man brought his family a Midianite woman right before the eyes of Moses and the whole assembly of Israel while they were weeping at the entrance of the Tent of Meeting. When Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest, saw this, he left the assembly, took a spear in his hand and followed the Israelite into the tent. He drove the spear through both of them – through the Israelite and into the woman’s body. Then the plague against the Israelites was stopped; but those who died in the plague numbered 24,000.
Then Lord said to Moses, Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest has turned my anger away from the Israelites; for he the zealous as I am for my honour among them, so that in my zeal I did not put an end to them.


Who is the lord in this story Lordo?
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Lordo » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:16 am

my grandfather was called lordo
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Maximus » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:27 am

Lordo wrote:my grandfather was called lordo


OK,

Who is the lord in that story lord of the jihadist's?
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:52 am

Maximus wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Maximus wrote:So who here is the son of a single celled amoeba?

Ultimately through the process of evolution every living thing on earth today.


Alright, but I prefer the son of god.

It has a powerful ring to it.

You are the son of god.


I personaly do not believe in the god protrayed in the bible or quran. Those versions of god are the invention of man as is the religeon surrounding them.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:58 am

...indeed there exists a Calvinism, a Lutheran church etc., so Peterism is an interesting way to describe his Church, the Catholic church. Indeed it was Christ that said that since they could not work together one would focus on Jews, the other on Gentiles, Paulists makes sense. (in reply to an earlier conversation).

...from Christ's words, again, i suggest you look at the Bible as a lot of Allegory, he says that, much truth, simple Truth, hidden just beyond sight (for those who want to learn), but within the realm of logic. When one asks who here is the son of an amoeba, i say we all are, and that you look at creation too simply, that we are "beasts". none of us are different, all of us DNA (by your definition), some of us RNA, but for vibration, harmony, what do we know of what "lives"; God is Love.

...i recall the miracle of the Sermon on the Mount, where everyone was fed from some loaves, and few fish. My epiphany, a renewed Faith from an interview i heard with Frank Zappa, he recalls how it is possible, because no one follows anyone in the desert without something of their own, for their own survival. They waited for the basket which they saw, filled with all these Men's food, and they would have eaten their own while waiting, they were hungry. Who would not toss some in, their bellies full, and what a powerful statement to all of them when the results were seen? Love is a gift, to give, infinitely. The way, is not easy, we care too much for our possessions, as though a loving nature is one of them; to be loving is the best way to serve.

AND WHAT OF THE HOLY GHOST, String Theory teaches us that more than anything, nothing exists, but we know nothing of what fills this space, and by what dimensions.

...I/i suggest that God is as small as the smallness of a point, as it can be defined by Mathematics, and in that regard, this number is still too big for us to understand; God is everything, God is that small.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:05 am

Maximus wrote:So who here is the son of a single celled amoeba?


Amoebae have daughters, not sons. :)
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Paphitis » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:58 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Maximus wrote:OK, I get what you are looking at now.

Genesis 1 contains the order of creation. Beasts first and man (male and female) second. The 7th day, his work was done.

Genesis 2, verse 2. his work is done and he rested.

Just because it says in verse 19 that God formed every beast out of the ground after he talks about man in verse 15 does not mean that he created Adam first now. At least, not in my interpretation.


'Not in my interpretation.' No, because you are brainwashed and nothing I tell you will change that. But, just for the record, it says "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field." The good lord God looked and saw that man was alone, i.e. he had already created man, and then decided to create the beasts because of this. It is perfectly clear that there is an order and God created Adam first and then the beasts (except chapter one says it was the other way round).


I can understand God creating little cuddly Koalas, Pandas and Kangaroos etc, but what was the inspiration behind Snakes, Crocodiles, and Spiders?
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