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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Maximus » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:24 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Just had a glance at Genesis 2 and I see that God, already having created Adam, then created all of the beasts and only then, from one of Adam's ribs, made Eve. So, it is men first, beasts second and women third. How bizzare! Never mind, it must all be a figure of speech.


so what?
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:26 pm

Here's a little clue. Were all people born at that time Nephilim?
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Maximus » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:28 pm

No, because people are still being born today and they will be born tomorrow.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:35 pm

Maximus wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Just had a glance at Genesis 2 and I see that God, already having created Adam, then created all of the beasts and only then, from one of Adam's ribs, made Eve. So, it is men first, beasts second and women third. How bizzare! Never mind, it must all be a figure of speech.


so what?


You don't find it somewhat bizarre that men alone existed while all the beasts were created (even though Genesis 1 tells us that God created the beasts first i.e. Genesis 1: 20-25 and THEN man i.e. Genesis 1 : 26 "God created man in his own image" - his own image? Odd, yet when God's sons procreate with humans, they produce Nephilim that look different from humans!) - and we know that this was a process lasting billions of years - and only then women were created? I find it very bizarre. That's what.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:37 pm

Maximus wrote:No, because people are still being born today and they will be born tomorrow.


What does that have to do with some human women giving birth to Nephilim (if the father was a son of God) and other human women giving birth to ordinary, non-giant people (if the father was a human)?
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Garavnoss » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:41 pm

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I think religion is in permanent decline in all Western Countries around the globe, including Cyprus.



Not too sure about the geographical accuracy of the above statement but, I have read that the faith of Islam is the fastest growing religion on the face of the earth, (therefore it is not necessarily true that religion is in permanent decline).

Perhaps your comment is specific to Christianity alone and if it is, I can well appreciate the decline considering the recent scandals and exposures of those churchmen in high office. (not necessary to go into detail, children may be among us).

Tony Blair (as I understand it) embraced the Roman Catholic faith, that alone should have been worth a few million disillusionments when the "Good Lord" failed to strike him dumb (or struck him with lightning) when he took "Holy Communion".

I believe that Incorrect interpretation is a major culprit in the decline of Christian belief and there are so many "Offshoots" from the main "Tree of Knowledge" that it is hardly surprising that so many people have become non-believers, Churches have become "Mashugana Houses" and unfortunately the downward spiral of moral standards (noticeable in our culture) is the result of it.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:43 pm

All relegions derive from the human fear of death and they deal with various aspects of death- including murder- in one way or another.

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I told them many times in this forum we are an army of slaves yet nobody ever paid any attention.
Who was that prophet who was raised to heaven? Ezekiil I think? Just post them the part of the bible describing his ascent to heaven. If that won't shake them nothing will.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Maximus » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:44 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Just had a glance at Genesis 2 and I see that God, already having created Adam, then created all of the beasts and only then, from one of Adam's ribs, made Eve. So, it is men first, beasts second and women third. How bizzare! Never mind, it must all be a figure of speech.


so what?


You don't find it somewhat bizarre that men alone existed while all the beasts were created (even though Genesis 1 tells us that God created the beasts first i.e. Genesis 1: 20-25 and THEN man i.e. Genesis 1 : 26 "God created man in his own image" - his own image? Odd, yet when God's sons procreate with humans, they produce Nephilim that look different from humans!) - and we know that this was a process lasting billions of years - and only then women were created? I find it very bizarre. That's what.


This is from the king James version

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:48 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:All relegions derive from the human fear of death and they deal with various aspects of death- including murder- in one way or another.

@ Tim:
I told them many times in this forum we are an army of slaves yet nobody ever paid any attention.
Who was that prophet who was raised to heaven? Ezekiil I think? Just post them the part of the bible describing his ascent to heaven. If that won't shake them nothing will.


Nothing will shake the indoctrinated of course, but it is amusing to try from time to time, and they don't have the inquisition to fall back on any more!
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Re: civilised discussion about christianity

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:51 pm

Maximus wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Just had a glance at Genesis 2 and I see that God, already having created Adam, then created all of the beasts and only then, from one of Adam's ribs, made Eve. So, it is men first, beasts second and women third. How bizzare! Never mind, it must all be a figure of speech.


so what?


You don't find it somewhat bizarre that men alone existed while all the beasts were created (even though Genesis 1 tells us that God created the beasts first i.e. Genesis 1: 20-25 and THEN man i.e. Genesis 1 : 26 "God created man in his own image" - his own image? Odd, yet when God's sons procreate with humans, they produce Nephilim that look different from humans!) - and we know that this was a process lasting billions of years - and only then women were created? I find it very bizarre. That's what.


This is from the king James version

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


There is none so blind as those who will not see. Yes, Genesis one tells us that God created the beats before man, yet the very next verse tells us that God created Adam and THEN the beasts. Contradiction. Get it? Of course you don't.
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