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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:37 pm

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Paphitis wrote:I was just going to say the other day that a war between Iran and Saudi Arabia is imminent. It's going to be a long a devestating war too as both countries will try to expand their regional influence.

There is nothing we can do about it either.

The only priority we have is to assist the Iraqi Government establish security, law and order within its borders. America can't afford for this to not occur because it will be a blight on them if they failed. It would be a dark chapter in their history and a major defeat and embarrassment. The big concern is the SHIA militias which are supported by Iran. If these militias start attacking Sunnis, then we are up shit creek.

Very messy but we must press on.


You don't think it might just continue as a whole set of proxy battles, as now?


Maybe only in the near future but I fear that it will build up to something much bigger like the Iran/Iraq war.

I think Saudi Arabia and Iran will clash.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:32 pm

It is unfortunate, but if you view things through the prism of the above Huffington Post article, who else can the Sunni states support in Syria and Iraq except DAESH?
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:42 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:It is unfortunate, but if you view things through the prism of the above Huffington Post article, who else can the Sunni states support in Syria and Iraq except DAESH?


Well the ideal situation is for Iraq to exert control over its territory and have a pluralist approach and treat the Sunni Tribes with fairness.

In Syria, we would like to see the same thing but it is unlikely under the Assad regime. Maybe it can be achieved but we will need to engage Assad in constructive negotiation. Long shot though.

But nevertheless, we can't let DAESH succeed because we have seen what they will do.

It's a pretty messy situation. I can actually see success in Iraq but Syria is hard.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:54 pm

Something in my bones tells me that DAESH will be history by the end of the year, but I wish I could have confidence that things in the region will get better after that. Outright Saudi-Iran war would be huge. The Saudi's have lots of expensive toys and the Iranian military is not to be scoffed at either. That could even risk turning into a proxy West v. Putin's Russia contest.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:01 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Something in my bones tells me that DAESH will be history by the end of the year, but I wish I could have confidence that things in the region will get better after that. Outright Saudi-Iran war would be huge. The Saudi's have lots of expensive toys and the Iranian military is not to be scoffed at either. That could even risk turning into a proxy West v. Putin's Russia contest.


I don't think America will get involved in such a scenario. If they do, then it's possible Russia might get involved too on Syria and Iran's side.

I hope I am wrong but I can't see Iran and Saudi Arabia behaving themselves and I don't see an easy solution either. DAESH might be defeated, but there is potential that the SHIA militias will be every bit as bad as DAESH.

When DAESH is defeated, we need to somehow ensure that the Sunnis are safe as well. This will depend on Iran.

I have a feeling that this is going to go on for a long time. The stakes are getting higher and higher.

The only things we can exert some control on is Iraq. Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia is another matter.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Lordo » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:49 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Something in my bones tells me that DAESH will be history by the end of the year, but I wish I could have confidence that things in the region will get better after that. Outright Saudi-Iran war would be huge. The Saudi's have lots of expensive toys and the Iranian military is not to be scoffed at either. That could even risk turning into a proxy West v. Putin's Russia contest.

what you do not consider is one simple fact. judging by past experience, if you defeat this group, the next group that comes along will be more extreme than the last.

has the past 70 years not taught you anything about the middle east.

certainly this has always been a proxy war between usa and russia. they should all furk off home and leave people alone.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby miltiades » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:10 pm

Lordo wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Something in my bones tells me that DAESH will be history by the end of the year, but I wish I could have confidence that things in the region will get better after that. Outright Saudi-Iran war would be huge. The Saudi's have lots of expensive toys and the Iranian military is not to be scoffed at either. That could even risk turning into a proxy West v. Putin's Russia contest.

what you do not consider is one simple fact. judging by past experience, if you defeat this group, the next group that comes along will be more extreme than the last.

has the past 70 years not taught you anything about the middle east.

certainly this has always been a proxy war between usa and russia. they should all furk off home and leave people alone.

I agree !! Leave them alone to kill each other !!
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Lordo » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:27 pm

miltiades wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Something in my bones tells me that DAESH will be history by the end of the year, but I wish I could have confidence that things in the region will get better after that. Outright Saudi-Iran war would be huge. The Saudi's have lots of expensive toys and the Iranian military is not to be scoffed at either. That could even risk turning into a proxy West v. Putin's Russia contest.

what you do not consider is one simple fact. judging by past experience, if you defeat this group, the next group that comes along will be more extreme than the last.

has the past 70 years not taught you anything about the middle east.

certainly this has always been a proxy war between usa and russia. they should all furk off home and leave people alone.

I agree !! Leave them alone to kill each other !!


leave them alone, do not arm one side secretly and what they do to each other does not concern you.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby miltiades » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:27 pm

Lordo wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Something in my bones tells me that DAESH will be history by the end of the year, but I wish I could have confidence that things in the region will get better after that. Outright Saudi-Iran war would be huge. The Saudi's have lots of expensive toys and the Iranian military is not to be scoffed at either. That could even risk turning into a proxy West v. Putin's Russia contest.

what you do not consider is one simple fact. judging by past experience, if you defeat this group, the next group that comes along will be more extreme than the last.

has the past 70 years not taught you anything about the middle east.

certainly this has always been a proxy war between usa and russia. they should all furk off home and leave people alone.

I agree !! Leave them alone to kill each other !!


leave them alone, do not arm one side secretly and what they do to each other does not concern you.

I don't give a toss what they do to each other, let them kill each other whilst screaming out allahufakbar. When however they are deemed to be a threat to civilization then it concerns me very much. Their medieval ideology is a cancer that could easily spread.
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Re: The ISF is ready for its first practice run

Postby Cap » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:52 pm

I agree, let them be.
The United States should be concerned with protecting only its borders.

if mentally unstable people want to leave European countries and join ISIS, they should be encouraged to do so.
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