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[Paphitis]

"The truth is a commodity that must be protected by a bodyguard of lies".

Famous words by Sir Winston Churchill (prior to his Knighthood).

I don't think you care any more for the Aussie or Kiwi Diggers than you do for the innocent Kurds, Yazidis, SHIA, Turkmen or anyone else that would be targetted by the hideous cutthroats.

To stand by and do nothing will allow these injustices to continue and the West would be complicit.

If the West would mind it's own business and leave other nations to conduct their affairs in their own way, the world would be a more peaceful place, a little more concern for the moral standards (and other) of their own territories might be a good starting point.

Handing over territories to others (at a whim) is a sure fire method of creating disharmony and we've seen plenty of that in the past.

Those that stand up to resist (or fight) the impositions of bullying powers and (what THEY see as regressive rather than progressive changes to their established cultures) have my full support and they are entitled to resort to whatever means they deem necessary to achieve their objectives.

It is only extreme arrogance to suppose that the Western culture is superior to Eastern (or even African tribal) cultures, leave these people alone, they are as entitled to adopt THEIR ways of life as we are ours, albeit that there may be areas in OURS that could do with a good deal of re-structuring.

As to complicity, the West is already complicit in several arenas of conflict in many regions of the world, precisely due to it.

It's the Iraqi People being bullied by the cutthroats and we will help them so that the Iraqi Government can run its own internal affairs as it pleases.

I'm not going to reply to this counter reply in any length other than to inform you that it greatly disappointed me.

I am really baffled about your position to be honest and likewise I am very disappointed in you.

Right now, many peoples in Iraq and Syria are facing the deplorable IS, and whether or not you consider this the fault of America or not, it is important to note that the coalition will try to remedy this. Not only are Iraqis and Syrians facing this gruesome organization, but we too may face them in our own homelands.

We could have opted out, but then thousands will face extermination.

Just accept the fact that we will not allow them to win. No matter how long it takes, or how hard it may seem, we will send them on their Merry way to their promised afterlife.

This is one war the coalition can't afford to lose.

I do hope we capture a few of them alive. There are some empty cells at Quantanamo Bay I will have you know and we will like the opportunity to interrogate them.

[Paphitis]

Iraq has a licence to print money since it is so resource rich.

When security is established we would be very eager to see Iraq develop into another UAE.

No way will we allow DAESH to stop this.

[Maximus]

It was premature going in to Iraq.

Have they found the weapons of mass destruction yet?

[B25]

It was premature going in to Iraq.

Have they found the weapons of mass destruction yet?

WMD! Don't make me laugh, that was just Blair and Bush bullshit lies to invade another country to setup bases in the ME.

Both those MFs should be tried for crimes against humanity, FFS.

[repulsewarrior]

It was premature going in to Iraq.

Have they found the weapons of mass destruction yet?

...well said.

...what a difference a government makes. In Canada Mr. Chretien chose not to join the coalition, Mr. Harper has joined, and at the time opposed the idea, that if Canada helps it is toward building Capacity, a Rule of Law, and infrastructure, its Armed Forces do not invade, "preemptively", although when called to fight they have been the first in and the last out.

What happened in Iraq was wrong, the second time around, and misguided. The rest of us, let's call us, not "Americans" suffer to this day. Actions with equal and opposite reactions, this stuff is Social-Engineering. And it is like living through the birth of Architecture, sometime in the Middle Ages, rather crude, and for a while the churches fell quite unexpectedly on your head, but they figured it out in the end. In my mind it is a class warfare that it will boil down to, because we are talking about Political-Economics. It may be that there is, a 99%, and "they" (us) don't know it, yet.

[repulsewarrior]

It was premature going in to Iraq.

Have they found the weapons of mass destruction yet?

WMD! Don't make me laugh, that was just Blair and Bush bullshit lies to invade another country to setup bases in the ME.

Both those MFs should be tried for crimes against humanity, FFS.

...also, well said.

[Jerry]

Saddam, like Gaddafi, was a tyrant and brutal leader but I have little doubt that far fewer innocent civilians would have died had those thugs remained in power. The chaos and anarchy that prevails in the Middle East today is a consequence of Western interference and has cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

Blair, who I used to believe was a decent politician, lost much support for backing Bush who was always an arsehole. I'll never understand what their real motives were - perhaps they just wanted to test their latest weapons.

[Garavnoss]

Right now, many peoples in Iraq and Syria are facing the deplorable IS, and whether or not you consider this the fault of America or not, it is important to note that the coalition will try to remedy this. Not only are Iraqis and Syrians facing this gruesome organization, but we too may face them in our own homelands.

I do hope we capture a few of them alive. There are some empty cells at Quantanamo Bay I will have you know and we will like the opportunity to interrogate them.

It is within the area of your views above that the greatest gulf between us lies, you open with the words "Right Now" and that does suggest that you have adopted the "Politician's Stance" which invariably only considers issues as they ARE at any particular moment.

Typical of politicians, such a stance provides them with a great deal of flexibility and enables them to stand on one leg one day and another leg the next, we have seen it so many times that it escapes our notice, unless we are very careful.

There is NO QUESTION (in my view) that the American and British forces are responsible for ALL the disharmony now taking place in the Middle East and other regions, the (now coalition forces) are not doing anyone a service by claiming to be engaged in a process of rectifying the situation in the areas they are focusing on, they are merely trying to contain the "Ogre" that was created when Bush and Blair concocted the excuse to depose the Iraqi president and gain control of the nation's resources, colour it which way you like, those are the basic facts.

Out of the destruction subsequent to the "Shock and Awe" fiasco, there emerged several warring factions, THE most ferocious of all of them is the IS, there ARE others and I suspect they are being well paid as mercenaries in many cases but, IS has different motives
and represents a rather more difficult force to deal with since, it will not be intimidated by threats, nor bought off with US dollars.

IS wishes to rid the Middle East of the curse that descended upon it courtesy of the U.S.A. (and others) in the guise of helping those who supposedly lived in fear of their rulers, it sounded like a good ploy but the outcome was not quite as expected.

The IS are not afraid to die for their cause, they have principles which WE do not understand and their fervour is such that no threat nor force of arms will deter them from reaching their objectives, one of which is to impose "Sharia Law" in their OWN nation.

Nothing wrong with that, if you don't like it, go and live elsewhere, ultimately they will win for precisely those reasons.

Guantanamo Bay prison cells (which you mention) are NOT an asset to the Americans, the tortures that were committed there are well documented and also a possible reason for all the uprisings in many areas of the world, IS may well have been influenced by the exposure of such inhumane activities, they may even be in the process of "Fighting Fire with Fire", as the old saying goes.

[repulsewarrior]

Past events in US-Iraqi relations and the prevalence of conspiracy theories spread by the media as well as politicians have led Iraqis to doubt the sincerity of the US fight against the Islamic State.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... z3T47hNZqX

...an article worth reading.

[Maximus]

The IS are not afraid to die for their cause, they have principles which WE do not understand and their fervour is such that no threat nor force of arms will deter them from reaching their objectives, one of which is to impose "Sharia Law" in their OWN nation.

Nothing wrong with that, if you don't like it, go and live elsewhere, ultimately they will win for precisely those reasons.

ISIS are not entitled to their own nation. They are not a nation of people who can live within their own state under sharia law.

ISIS are also not fighting the west, they are fighting and stealing from their Muslim brothers, destroying their artifacts and committing other crimes against humanity.

In my View, ISIS are probably more of an extension of Davutoglu's "strategic depth".