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Postby cypezokyli » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:09 pm

could i also propose "aharnis" by aristofanis?

anti-war comedy. its actually the tragedy of civil war presented in a funny way.one would be surprised by the similarities with today. (a small advise for the hellenenchristians : if you consider yourself more orthodox than greek, then aristofanis is not for you. the greekorthodox church already prevented one of his plays ).

it is amazing that the play was performed in the middle of the war. freedom of speach or what ?

a small suggestion for the greek speakers: while reading aristofanis you can add savvopoulos music to it :wink:

...on the sixth year of the pelloponisian war the athenian citizen dikaiopolis decides to make peace alone, (for him and his family) with sparta.... a number of coal producers having interests in the war, with stones in their hands, are searching for the traitor in order to stone him to death.... :)

you know what i am talking about :wink:

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Postby Alexios » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:14 pm

I know exactly...what will happen to the first Dikaiopolis who ll apply to the Committee to get his land and compensation i wonder......:)
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Postby Alexios » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:17 pm

zan wrote:Poetics
for Jakub Ekier

There are so many answers
yet we don’t know how to ask questions

Poetry
is the poet’s white stick

With it he touches things,
to recognise them


To feel is clearer than to see some times...
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Postby Eric dayi » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:26 pm

cypezokyli wrote:greece so long it was not a dictatorhip didnot support any gc terrorism.
the gc terrorism supported by the dictatorship was directed against makarios as well.

the point here is eric : makarios is no innocent, while greece in general tried to keep makarios in reality.
with the dictatorhip it was sth else ofcource. but once again their problem was with makarios. the attrocities against the tc were in general gc "achievements" and not greek ones.


Was there a dictatorship in Greece when it sent in 20,000 troops in 1963? No, there wasn't, the Junta came to power in April 1967. ENOSIS was as strong in 1963 when the Greeks started their straggle for ENOSIS as it was in 1967/74. In 1963 EOKA terroroists were supported by Greece without a dictatorship and EOKA B was supported by the Junta after 1967, both wanting the same thing, kill the TC's and achieve ENOSIS.

All the time during 1963 and 1974 the TC's and ENOSIS were the main targets. Makarios became a target when he changed his mind about ENOSIS and got in the way of Greece's goal. So please don't tell me that Greece didn't support the Greek terrorist, it did right from the beginning.

Before or during the dictatorship Greece was heavily involved in the attrocities against the TC's instead of being the guarantor partner it was supposed to be, so what difference does it make?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:30 pm

Zan wrote:
Birkibrisli

I am worried that your “Barbarians” is the family unit. You have not given up on humanity why give up on the family. Forgive my friend, the family unit is the one sanctuary a man has. Your fear of not having anything to fear is preventing you from getting over that last obstacle.


Yok,be Zan.The barbarians are us,or rather the animosity,the hatred betweeen us,as Alexios said.I agree that the family unit can be a sanctuary...if it is working.It could also be living hell.I haven't had much luck with my attempts at family life,so I suppose that is reflected in my posts.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:34 pm

Alexios wrote:I didnt know you followed Greek poetry Zan...:))) Anyhow, the Barbarians are any excuse not to sit down and deal with the serious matters in politics..we have no solution and we seek any excuse not to find one...unfortunately no solution seems to fit out Politicians nicely. Take away the Cyprus problem and as i have said before, most of them in a politically mature country wouldnt be able to get elected even as village mouhtars...


Is this the reason why we have no solution as yet??? C'mon, you and your "ambelosofies"!!! (cracked-barrel phylosophies /sophistries!)
You have a very simplistic mind Alexios! Sorry!!!

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Postby Alexios » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:42 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Alexios wrote:I didnt know you followed Greek poetry Zan...:))) Anyhow, the Barbarians are any excuse not to sit down and deal with the serious matters in politics..we have no solution and we seek any excuse not to find one...unfortunately no solution seems to fit out Politicians nicely. Take away the Cyprus problem and as i have said before, most of them in a politically mature country wouldnt be able to get elected even as village mouhtars...


Is this the reason why we have no solution as yet??? C'mon, you and your "ambelosofies"!!! (cracked-barrel philosophies!)
You have a very simplistic mind Alexios! Sorry!!!

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I ll pretend you never said that Kifeas.Its part of my simplistic mind...
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:45 pm

Alexios wrote:I know exactly...what will happen to the first Dikaiopolis who ll apply to the Committee to get his land and compensation i wonder......:)

Nothing will happen!!!! If the ECHR finds the committee as an acceptable preliminary-internal remedy mechanism, then I will also apply to it and should I emerge unsatisfied after it, then I will continue my case to the ECHR. Why something should happen to me, and by whom???

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Postby Kifeas » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:47 pm

Alexios wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Alexios wrote:I didnt know you followed Greek poetry Zan...:))) Anyhow, the Barbarians are any excuse not to sit down and deal with the serious matters in politics..we have no solution and we seek any excuse not to find one...unfortunately no solution seems to fit out Politicians nicely. Take away the Cyprus problem and as i have said before, most of them in a politically mature country wouldnt be able to get elected even as village mouhtars...


Is this the reason why we have no solution as yet??? C'mon, you and your "ambelosofies"!!! (cracked-barrel philosophies!)
You have a very simplistic mind Alexios! Sorry!!!

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


I ll pretend you never said that Kifeas.Its part of my simplistic mind...
Pretend or not, I make no sense of what you are saying sometimes!
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Postby Alexios » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:47 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Alexios wrote:I know exactly...what will happen to the first Dikaiopolis who ll apply to the Committee to get his land and compensation i wonder......:)

Nothing will happen!!!! If the ECHR finds the committee as an acceptable preliminary-internal remedy mechanism, then I will also apply to it and should I emerge unsatisfied after it, then I will continue my case to the ECHR. Why something should happen to me, and by whom???

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Please save what you have just written Kifeas..We ll talk again if this goes through...
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