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[zan]

bg_turk, when EOKA B and TMT was funded and supported by Greece and Turkey respectively what was Makarios fault? It is like blaming Makarios for the 6000 victims of the Turkish invasion, or blaming Papadopoulos for the Turkish occupation. If Makarios was given a normal state were foreign armies (Turkish, Greek and British) would have no place in Cyprus then he would be able to control things better. But with the Turkish, Greek and British army in the supposedly independent Cyprus, what could Makarios do? Those that made the Cyprus constitution (not Cypriots) kept all power for themselves and they didn't give to our president enough power to do what should have been done.

The ones who should be blamed are the murderers and the ones who support those murderers (e.g. Eric Dayi).

He supported if not created a terrorist movement and when he lost control of it he washes his hands and says its not my fault. He creates a situation for the TMT to form and fight back and it’s not his fault. He blames Greece for creating a chance for Turkey to step in and carry out its responsibility to the TCs and in a war 6000 G/GCs die as well as the TCs and those who come to protect and its not his fault. He goes against the legal vetoes of the TCs and does what he wants in an arrogant way and creates anger and resentment and it’s not his fault.????????

This reminds me of a fantastic put down my friend used to silence my wife and his when they got on the band wagon about an article in the papers that said that women were better drivers than men. He waited and waited until they got to the point where they were boasting about never having an accident and he jumped in with,” I bet you’ve seen plenty when you looked in your rear view mirror”.

[Leonidas]

Has anything changed there?
It has been over 30 years folks
Can we put the past behind us on go on?
Turks and Greeks live in harmony in the USA.
Why can we not figure it out in Cyprus? After all we USED to.

[Eric dayi]

You are kidding us right? Do you know how big armies are needed to constrain terrorists? Haven't you seen the armies that are called for the security of events? You are telling me that 2000 untrained men could constrain terrorists funded from abroad for the whole country?

Why did the constitution for the independence of Cyprus include armies from Turkey, Greece and Britain? If they thought we needed guarantors then why didn't those guarantors do their job??

I'll tell you why not, it's because one guarantor (Greece) was the terrorists who tried to ethnically cleanse Cyprus of it's Turkish Cypriots to achieve ENOSIS while the other (UK) did nothing to stop the murdering terrorist Greeks and Greek Cypriots and it was left up to the third (Turkey) to come and teach the terrorists a lesson they will not forget for a very long time to come.

[cypezokyli]

greece so long it was not a dictatorhip didnot support any gc terrorism.
the gc terrorism supported by the dictatorship was directed against makarios as well.

the point here is eric : makarios is no innocent, while greece in general tried to keep makarios in reality.
with the dictatorhip it was sth else ofcource. but once again their problem was with makarios. the attrocities against the tc were in general gc "achievements" and not greek ones.

[zan]

When Greece went against Makarios it was he in his speech that said that Greeks from the main land manned the tanks and Greek commanders were leading the GCs?

[BirKibrisli]

Has anything changed there?
It has been over 30 years folks
Can we put the past behind us on go on?
Turks and Greeks live in harmony in the USA.
Why can we not figure it out in Cyprus? After all we USED to.

But Leonidas...What will we do with ourselves if we learn to live in harmony in Cyprus?
who are we going to hate?Who are we going to blame for everything that goes wrong in our lives?We might then have to spend more time with our wives and children,and you know what that will bring?More family breakups.We might have to get jobs that are actually useful and productive.Heaven forbid we might have to start taking an interest in the rest of the world,and realise that we are heading for global warming and inevitable destruction of our world?We might even realise that we are being sold a puppy with this whole "free trade" nonsense,that it will make more and more people in the developping countries die of starvation.
Get real mate.While we are at each other's throats we can imagine that there is actually some point in living,some meaning to existence.We hate,therefor we are...

[Alexios]

Read the poem "waiting for the barbarians" by C.Cavafy..you ll find it on the net..
The barbarians is our hatred exactly as you put it...

[zan]

"Waiting for the Barbarians" by C Cavafy.
What are we waiting for, assembled in the forum?
The barbarians are due here today.
Why isn’t anything happening in the senate?
Why do the senators sit there without legislating?
Because the barbarians are coming today.
What laws can the senators make now?
Once the barbarians are here, they’ll do the legislating.
Why did our emperor get up so early,
and why is he sitting at the city’s main gate
on his throne, in state, wearing the crown?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and the emperor is waiting to receive their leader.
He has even prepared a scroll to give him,
replete with titles, with imposing names.
Why have our two consuls and praetors come out today
wearing their embroidered, their scarlet togas?
Why have they put on bracelets with so many amethysts,
and rings sparkling with magnificent emeralds?
Why are they carrying elegant canes
beautifully worked in silver and gold?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and things like that dazzle the barbarians.
Why don’t our distinguished orators come forward as usual
to make their speeches, say what they have to say?
Because the barbarians are coming today
And they’re bored by rhetoric and public speaking.
Why this sudden restlessness, this confusion?
(How serious people’s faces have become.)
Why are the streets and squares emptying so rapidly,
Everyone going home so lost in thought?
Because night has fallen and the barbarians have not come.
And some who have just returned from the border say
There are no barbarians any longer.
And now, what’s going to happen to us without barbarians?
They were, those people, a kind of solution.


Birkibrisli

I am worried that your “Barbarians” is the family unit. You have not given up on humanity why give up on the family. Forgive my friend, the family unit is the one sanctuary a man has. Your fear of not having anything to fear is preventing you from getting over that last obstacle.

[Alexios]

I didnt know you followed Greek poetry Zan...)) Anyhow, the Barbarians are any excuse not to sit down and deal with the serious matters in politics..we have no solution and we seek any excuse not to find one...unfortunately no solution seems to fit out Politicians nicely. Take away the Cyprus problem and as i have said before, most of them in a politically mature country wouldnt be able to get elected even as village mouhtars...

[zan]

Poetics
for Jakub Ekier

There are so many answers
yet we don’t know how to ask questions

Poetry
is the poet’s white stick

With it he touches things,
to recognise them