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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:44 am

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t seemed anyway that the 'comprehencive solution' was too difficult..., so let's go step by step instead.


The comprehensive solution is only difficult for those that do not desire an overall solution (no prizes for guessing which side) and use the piece meal approach to weaken the opposite sides negotiating position.


Those (on both sides) who do not want a solution at all, for sure has extra possibilites criticising a 'comprehensive solution'...
...however, we need to drag them along in the process too, otherwise we'll end up with the independent replublic of Paphos as we re-unite the rest of the island.

Doing it step-by-step might prove an easier way to get everyones 'buy-in'.


If the desire and vision for an overall solution are not there then you cannot do things piece meal. Negotiating positions will be weakened and both communites will feel exposed to exploitation by the other. This will not create a sound foundation for partnership. Problems will appear soon after any unification as people will not be committed to making it work as they were forced to accept certain issues.
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Postby pg » Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:37 pm

Let me disagree...

I think the trust is still missing - especially not in the political systems. I think the step-by-step way can build trust, slowly.

Many small step is safer than one big, for most people. It does however need some genorosity, and each side needs to show some 'wins' in order to gain trust, slowly.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:52 pm

OK would GCs allow direct flights??
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Postby pg » Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:13 pm

I think so, but there will need to be some bending of rules here and there..., on both sides, like unitied air-traffic control, the RoC need to send over some immigration police, etc, since the goverment internationally has responsibilities in this area.
Naturally, customs/duty/etc could be run by the TC community.

Note that this would be of limited use for GC, unless EasyJet starts running there, it would need to bi implented together with some other measures.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:22 pm

Would that mean TCs would also be included in other airports to keep uniformity or are GCs only allowed this privilidge of running the airports in the south on their own and jointly running those in the north??
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Postby pg » Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:30 pm

It depends of what you mean with TC?

Do you mean the "TRNC" needs to have immigration police in Larnaca because of its international obligations?
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:43 pm

Joint ventures, your propsal is that we run Ercan airport jointly am i right?

Then surely Larnaca should be the same, or will that be run by just GCs.

Why do we need GCs in Ercan if we do not need them in Larnaca?

The GC run "RoC" will authorize that Ercan will be open to international flights and TCs will be trained to meet all standards policing, air traffic ets required if they do not already do so.
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Postby pg » Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:59 pm

The goverment of the RoC can only authorize Ercan to be a legal port of the RoC, nothing else, and with that comes obligations.

No need to run Ercan jointly, there just need to be some double immigration, security.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:18 pm

Immigration and security, do you mean these are things only GCs can do? Where does it state that?? arent TCs capable of doing what you refer to? kindly be more specific.
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Postby Alexis » Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:27 pm

Immigration and security, do you mean these are things only GCs can do? Where does it state that?? arent TCs capable of doing what you refer to? kindly be more specific.


VP, I don't think pg is saying this at all. Of course TCs are capable of doing these things! For Ercan to be an international Airport there are certain obligations that the RoC will have simply because internationally speaking Ercan comes under RoC juristriction, even if in practice it does not. The usual reponsibilities (of which air-traffic is one) of any country with an international airport which is a member of the ICAO will officially be the responsibility of the RoC, so some kind of presence (although minimal) would be required for this to take affect.
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