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[Piratis]

I want nothing more for myself than I want for any Turkish Cypriot. I want a normal country were everybody is equal and I would gladly accept any constitution of any other EU country. You are the ones who insist on things that are against the human rights of people simply because they belong to a specific race you dislike.

[Viewpoint]

The current situation is as much my fault as it is yours, you conveniently forget this fact. So the solution should be such to address both our concerns and the only way to do this is by negotiating. Or are you waiting for it to fall from the sky?

[Piratis]

The current situation is as much my fault as it is yours, you conveniently forget this fact.

Ok, if we assume this is the case, then why you should get more and we should get less than what we had before the current situation started?

o the solution should be such to address both our concerns and the only way to do this is by negotiating.

We are going in circles. I already said to you: Are you willing to negotiate anything that would not violate our human rights? Have your policy changed since the last 30 years we are negotiating. If yes, then sure we should negotiate, if no, then sorry but our human rights are obviously not negotiable.

Or are you waiting for it to fall from the sky?

No, but the EU accession of Turkey might drop instead.

[Viewpoint]

What you seek and I will not repeat it again as you seem to be having problems understanding is at the negotiating table its all part and parcel of a comprehensive solution. But seing we have no negotiations we are no closer to what you want and what i want.

The end of Turkeys EU accession hopes will work against you cant you understand this???

[Piratis]

VP, we have been negotiating for 30 years. We see no change in your policy. The same way you want to negotiate while you are illegally occupying our country, we will resume negotiations when we will grab Turkey from the balls over EU. Sounds more fair to me.

The end of Turkeys EU accession hopes will work against you cant you understand this???

Not necessarily. A Turkey turning to the east and to islamist fundamentalism could be positive for us actually.
If Turkey wants to move in the EU direction she has to make positive steps. It is up to Turkey if in 10-15 years it will be a modern democratic country that respects its neighbors (including RoC) and be part of EU. If they insist on not improving then we (all EU) will have no option than to send them away.

[zan]

VP, we have been negotiating for 30 years. We see no change in your policy. The same way you want to negotiate while you are illegally occupying our country, we will resume negotiations when we will grab Turkey from the balls over EU. Sounds more fair to me.

The end of Turkeys EU accession hopes will work against you cant you understand this???

Not necessarily. A Turkey turning to the east and to islamist fundamentalism could be positive for us actually.
If Turkey wants to move in the EU direction she has to make positive steps. It is up to Turkey if in 10-15 years it will be a modern democratic country that respects its neighbors (including RoC) and be part of EU. If they insist on not improving then we (all EU) will have no option than to send them away.

If the RoC got in with all its faults and illegalities then there might be hope for a fast changing fast growing Turkey. Thank god it has got other options though. Turkey will have a big problem in walking away though because it is quite clear that the USA and UK want them in.

[Piratis]

If the RoC got in with all its faults and illegalities then there might be hope for a fast changing fast growing Turkey.

Yeah, thats what you say, not EU. The EU didn't eat your propaganda regarding RoC illegalities, and it clearly said that Turkey has a LONG way to go. Thats what we say too.

Thank god it has got other options though.

Yeah. Turkey is a torn nation. They belong nowhere. This might seem as lots of options to you. To me it seems that all it needs is a bit of change in the interests of the US and Turkey will come down really fast.

[zan]

Yeah, thats what you say!!!!!!!

[Viewpoint]

VP, we have been negotiating for 30 years. We see no change in your policy. The same way you want to negotiate while you are illegally occupying our country, we will resume negotiations when we will grab Turkey from the balls over EU. Sounds more fair to me.

The end of Turkeys EU accession hopes will work against you cant you understand this???

Not necessarily. A Turkey turning to the east and to islamist fundamentalism could be positive for us actually.
If Turkey wants to move in the EU direction she has to make positive steps. It is up to Turkey if in 10-15 years it will be a modern democratic country that respects its neighbors (including RoC) and be part of EU. If they insist on not improving then we (all EU) will have no option than to send them away.

Piratis you just try and see what will happen, (im not on about war) dont you realize that if you lose your EU leverage you will have nothing to apply pressure on Turkey. Where will you be then? Up the swanny without a paddle.

[pg]

pg

t seemed anyway that the 'comprehencive solution' was too difficult..., so let's go step by step instead.

The comprehensive solution is only difficult for those that do not desire an overall solution (no prizes for guessing which side) and use the piece meal approach to weaken the opposite sides negotiating position.

Those (on both sides) who do not want a solution at all, for sure has extra possibilites criticising a 'comprehensive solution'...
...however, we need to drag them along in the process too, otherwise we'll end up with the independent replublic of Paphos as we re-unite the rest of the island.

Doing it step-by-step might prove an easier way to get everyones 'buy-in'.