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[Piratis]

I am sure he has taken his seat next to Hitler in hell!

No, that seat is reserved for you and the other barbarian criminals that support the violations of the human rights of 100s of thousands of people.

For Makarios you just make unfounded accusations and nothing more. The murders and the ethnic cleansing that you committed and you support are recorded facts. You even admit that you support the ethnic cleansing and our human rights violations. So how can a criminal like you complain about others?

[Svetlana]

We have reached the limit of what is acceptable in terms of name calling, here. Please step back.

Lana

[bg_turk]

Makarios never killed or supported the killing of anybody. Unlike you. So you accusing Makarios for murders is a joke.

[zan]

Oriana Fallaci: Excuse me. Beatitude, but YOU were the one who actually said, at the beginning of the struggle for the independence of Cyprus, "Much blood will have to flow."

Makarios: I can't possibly have said it that way. Maybe I said. "The road to freedom is irrigated with blood," something like that. Maybe I said, "We'll have to die," but not, "We'll have to kill." I was in favor of sabotage, yes, but on condition that it didn't cost the blood of innocent people. All that killing took I place when I was in exile and couldn't do anything to stop it. Oh. I'm not the terrible person you think!

[Piratis]

bg_turk, when EOKA B and TMT was funded and supported by Greece and Turkey respectively what was Makarios fault? It is like blaming Makarios for the 6000 victims of the Turkish invasion, or blaming Papadopoulos for the Turkish occupation. If Makarios was given a normal state were foreign armies (Turkish, Greek and British) would have no place in Cyprus then he would be able to control things better. But with the Turkish, Greek and British army in the supposedly independent Cyprus, what could Makarios do? Those that made the Cyprus constitution (not Cypriots) kept all power for themselves and they didn't give to our president enough power to do what should have been done.

The ones who should be blamed are the murderers and the ones who support those murderers (e.g. Eric Dayi).

[cypezokyli]

the constitution included a 2000 men bicommunal army , on 40-60 basis.

with some cleverness, or just apllying the consitution, cyprus could have had a protection against both eoka b, and tmt.

[Piratis]

You are kidding us right? Do you know how big armies are needed to constrain terrorists? Haven't you seen the armies that are called for the security of events? You are telling me that 2000 untrained men could constrain terrorists funded from abroad for the whole country?

Why did the constitution for the independence of Cyprus include armies from Turkey, Greece and Britain? If they thought we needed guarantors then why didn't those guarantors do their job??

[cypezokyli]

terrorism has changed throuthout the years.
dont compare al quida with eoka b. first of all al quida has a significant level of intelligence -IQ.
second the eoka b, members were a few, not to mention known. we are just a big village.
they could have been constraint if one wanted.

for your second point, if i were a tc i would answer to you : well turkey did its job
but if i am not mistaken the armies from abroad came only after 1963...let me check on that.
in any case, i dont think the guarantoor powers were granted to save cyprus from terrorist action.

but the point was that a biccomunal army was proposed, sth that we dont even have in todays proposals, and nobody was in a position to use that for the good of cyprus.

[Piratis]

well turkey did its job

Their job as well as the job of Greece and Britain was to guarantee Republic of Cyprus. How did they do they job??? If they had done their job the Cyprus problem would not exist. The fact that it exists means that they didn't do their job.

If they couldn't do this job, then they should not have taken it, and let Makarios and the government do it. Since they took it though, it is their responsibility, and they can not now blame Makarios because not only they didn't do their job but also funded the EOKA-B and TMT terrorists. (And Turkey continues to do so as we speak)

[cypezokyli]

hehe.
somehow i knew that you would get stuck on that sentese. i hope you know that i dont support it . but it was kind of an answer to expecting the guarantors to take police responsibilities and protect cyprus against its terrorists organisations. i am sure you wouldnt have liked that.

but i ll repeat once again. makarios was given a state, and hat the tool of bicommunal army to use which he completely ignored. bc his enemy in the early 60s were the tc (things ofcource changed after he kicked giorkatjis from office. then his enemies grew, but thats again not the point.)

not to mention that makarios was given a state with a police - but lets not forget who was responsible for the police . i mean would giorkatjis punish himself ?

so it was not matter of what state the foreigners gave to makarios, but rather what he did with it.