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[Kikapu]

Looks like Erdogan and Gang got "Egg Foo Yung" on their faces.

It goes to show one more time that Erdogan's "kuntish" manoeuvre to out-stage the Armenian Genocide commemoration on April 24th with this fake Gallipoli celebration after it's own due date would not succeed, and the world told him so.

Last month we were told there were at least 50 world leaders who were going to attend the Gallipoli celebrations on April 24th. So what happened?

Typical Turkish lies to hide their inferiority complexes from its economy to it's so called democracy. What a loser Turkey has for a leader. At least they have the other loser, Lordo supporting these clowns running Turkey's government.

The Galipoli Commemoration is about Australia and New Zealand, not Turkey.

It is also the 100 year commemoration and 20,000 ANZAC troops lost their lives here.

I doubt Australia or New Zealand have any wishes to overshadow any other commemorations such as the Armenean genocide.

I don't think they would appreciate any attempt by Turkey to hijack and politicize it.

They both also sent 100s of law enforcement and intelligence personnel to bolster security for traveling Australians and Kiwis which gives an indication as to how much they trust Turkey.

I think it is time that Australia and New Zealand commemorated their loses of Gallipoli on their own soil from now on as well as any other nation. I mean, wtf! Why go half way around the world to remember your fallen soldiers when you should be remembering them on your own soil with your own people? The Aussies and Kiwis can take turn on each other's country and keep it away from Turkey so not to let Erdogan and Gang to politicize it ever again.

[Paphitis]

Looks like Erdogan and Gang got "Egg Foo Yung" on their faces.

It goes to show one more time that Erdogan's "kuntish" manoeuvre to out-stage the Armenian Genocide commemoration on April 24th with this fake Gallipoli celebration after it's own due date would not succeed, and the world told him so.

Last month we were told there were at least 50 world leaders who were going to attend the Gallipoli celebrations on April 24th. So what happened?

Typical Turkish lies to hide their inferiority complexes from its economy to it's so called democracy. What a loser Turkey has for a leader. At least they have the other loser, Lordo supporting these clowns running Turkey's government.

The Galipoli Commemoration is about Australia and New Zealand, not Turkey.

It is also the 100 year commemoration and 20,000 ANZAC troops lost their lives here.

I doubt Australia or New Zealand have any wishes to overshadow any other commemorations such as the Armenean genocide.

I don't think they would appreciate any attempt by Turkey to hijack and politicize it.

They both also sent 100s of law enforcement and intelligence personnel to bolster security for traveling Australians and Kiwis which gives an indication as to how much they trust Turkey.

I think it is time that Australia and New Zealand commemorated their loses of Gallipoli on their own soil from now on as well as any other nation. I mean, wtf! Why go half way around the world to remember your fallen soldiers when you should be remembering them on your own soil with your own people? The Aussies and Kiwis can take turn on each other's country and keep it away from Turkey so not to let Erdogan and Gang to politicize it ever again.

All the ANZACs were buried in Galipoli.

Galipoli is considered by Australia to be an important event in the Nation's very short history and it has to be for the fallen. An entire ethos and even National Identity has been forged. Decendants of the fallen will always travel to Galipoli to visit the grave sites of their Great great Grandad etc and to retrace his footsteps from the moment they landed at Anzac Cove.

The Australian Defence Force commemorates the fallen Australian soldiers all over the world and not just Galipoli. For instance, the Royal Australian Navy visits Crete about the same time.

I am pretty sure any attempt by Turkey to politicize this will have an impact on their relationship with Australia, and I am sure some words would be exchanged and probably not very nice words at that.

Galipoli has become a pilgrimage for Australians. This won't stop and hence the commemorations won't stop either. There are other issues too, like security of the Australians and New Zealanders from Terror attack. Since this is an important occasion for Australia, would be terrorists may consider the commemoration a target to hit at Australia where it hurts the most.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Looks like Erdogan and Gang got "Egg Foo Yung" on their faces.

It goes to show one more time that Erdogan's "kuntish" manoeuvre to out-stage the Armenian Genocide commemoration on April 24th with this fake Gallipoli celebration after it's own due date would not succeed, and the world told him so.

Last month we were told there were at least 50 world leaders who were going to attend the Gallipoli celebrations on April 24th. So what happened?

Typical Turkish lies to hide their inferiority complexes from its economy to it's so called democracy. What a loser Turkey has for a leader. At least they have the other loser, Lordo supporting these clowns running Turkey's government.

The Galipoli Commemoration is about Australia and New Zealand, not Turkey.

It is also the 100 year commemoration and 20,000 ANZAC troops lost their lives here.

I doubt Australia or New Zealand have any wishes to overshadow any other commemorations such as the Armenean genocide.

I don't think they would appreciate any attempt by Turkey to hijack and politicize it.

They both also sent 100s of law enforcement and intelligence personnel to bolster security for traveling Australians and Kiwis which gives an indication as to how much they trust Turkey.

I think it is time that Australia and New Zealand commemorated their loses of Gallipoli on their own soil from now on as well as any other nation. I mean, wtf! Why go half way around the world to remember your fallen soldiers when you should be remembering them on your own soil with your own people? The Aussies and Kiwis can take turn on each other's country and keep it away from Turkey so not to let Erdogan and Gang to politicize it ever again.

Completely agree with you, Kiks. Fine to visit a father's memorial or such close kin, after some/several years. But after so many years, visiting a great, great etc uncle's place of death is rather dire. It would be like me visiting Marathon because a distant relative died there some centuries ago ...

[Lordo]

thats because that is where they are buried

gavole ma ise delya voshgos me da guvellessu.

[Paphitis]

Looks like Erdogan and Gang got "Egg Foo Yung" on their faces.

It goes to show one more time that Erdogan's "kuntish" manoeuvre to out-stage the Armenian Genocide commemoration on April 24th with this fake Gallipoli celebration after it's own due date would not succeed, and the world told him so.

Last month we were told there were at least 50 world leaders who were going to attend the Gallipoli celebrations on April 24th. So what happened?

Typical Turkish lies to hide their inferiority complexes from its economy to it's so called democracy. What a loser Turkey has for a leader. At least they have the other loser, Lordo supporting these clowns running Turkey's government.

The Galipoli Commemoration is about Australia and New Zealand, not Turkey.

It is also the 100 year commemoration and 20,000 ANZAC troops lost their lives here.

I doubt Australia or New Zealand have any wishes to overshadow any other commemorations such as the Armenean genocide.

I don't think they would appreciate any attempt by Turkey to hijack and politicize it.

They both also sent 100s of law enforcement and intelligence personnel to bolster security for traveling Australians and Kiwis which gives an indication as to how much they trust Turkey.

I think it is time that Australia and New Zealand commemorated their loses of Gallipoli on their own soil from now on as well as any other nation. I mean, wtf! Why go half way around the world to remember your fallen soldiers when you should be remembering them on your own soil with your own people? The Aussies and Kiwis can take turn on each other's country and keep it away from Turkey so not to let Erdogan and Gang to politicize it ever again.

Completely agree with you, Kiks. Fine to visit a father's memorial or such close kin, after some/several years. But after so many years, visiting a great, great etc uncle's place of death is rather dire. It would be like me visiting Marathon because a distant relative died there some centuries ago ...

I disagree!

Visiting the gravesite of a great grandfather is a normal thing to do as is trying to trace your family tree. Even the children of today are still told about their ancestor from their grandparent whose father had fallen at Gallipoli.

Also, the service medals of the ancestor are inheritable official decorations by the Australian Government and there is a duty to never allow the memory of the fallen at Gallipoli or any other war for that matter to extinguish. Hence the National War Memorial in Canberra with the name of every single fallen from every single war right up to Afghanistan.

There was a lot of sacrifice here, and such waste of life in the most extreme of deplorable conditions all due to the British Chain of command condemning the ANACS to land in the most difficult terrain on the Peninsula which would not even be considered as sensible by a modern military that will ordinarily try to limit its losses.

You will see young kids proudly wear the medals of their great relative with great pride and there is nothing wrong with it.

Many of the relatives need to trace their history. The minute this stops is the minute that 20,000 deaths were in vain.

And of course, the ANZAC has become a legendary and romanticized figure of Australian larikinism, and egalitarianism which define Australia as a Nation. Please note that Australia and New Zealand have always yearned to break any attachment to any apron strings and Break away from the mother fucker unlike other small countries that obviously enjoy it.

Gallipoli is where Aistralia and NZ told the British to fuck off and they signed this message with their blood!

They knew the Brits sent them to their death.

[Kikapu]

Looks like Erdogan and Gang got "Egg Foo Yung" on their faces.

It goes to show one more time that Erdogan's "kuntish" manoeuvre to out-stage the Armenian Genocide commemoration on April 24th with this fake Gallipoli celebration after it's own due date would not succeed, and the world told him so.

Last month we were told there were at least 50 world leaders who were going to attend the Gallipoli celebrations on April 24th. So what happened?

Typical Turkish lies to hide their inferiority complexes from its economy to it's so called democracy. What a loser Turkey has for a leader. At least they have the other loser, Lordo supporting these clowns running Turkey's government.

The Galipoli Commemoration is about Australia and New Zealand, not Turkey.

It is also the 100 year commemoration and 20,000 ANZAC troops lost their lives here.

I doubt Australia or New Zealand have any wishes to overshadow any other commemorations such as the Armenean genocide.

I don't think they would appreciate any attempt by Turkey to hijack and politicize it.

They both also sent 100s of law enforcement and intelligence personnel to bolster security for traveling Australians and Kiwis which gives an indication as to how much they trust Turkey.

I think it is time that Australia and New Zealand commemorated their loses of Gallipoli on their own soil from now on as well as any other nation. I mean, wtf! Why go half way around the world to remember your fallen soldiers when you should be remembering them on your own soil with your own people? The Aussies and Kiwis can take turn on each other's country and keep it away from Turkey so not to let Erdogan and Gang to politicize it ever again.

Completely agree with you, Kiks. Fine to visit a father's memorial or such close kin, after some/several years. But after so many years, visiting a great, great etc uncle's place of death is rather dire. It would be like me visiting Marathon because a distant relative died there some centuries ago ...

And I agree with you, GIG!

[Paphitis]

Looks like Erdogan and Gang got "Egg Foo Yung" on their faces.

It goes to show one more time that Erdogan's "kuntish" manoeuvre to out-stage the Armenian Genocide commemoration on April 24th with this fake Gallipoli celebration after it's own due date would not succeed, and the world told him so.

Last month we were told there were at least 50 world leaders who were going to attend the Gallipoli celebrations on April 24th. So what happened?

Typical Turkish lies to hide their inferiority complexes from its economy to it's so called democracy. What a loser Turkey has for a leader. At least they have the other loser, Lordo supporting these clowns running Turkey's government.

The Galipoli Commemoration is about Australia and New Zealand, not Turkey.

It is also the 100 year commemoration and 20,000 ANZAC troops lost their lives here.

I doubt Australia or New Zealand have any wishes to overshadow any other commemorations such as the Armenean genocide.

I don't think they would appreciate any attempt by Turkey to hijack and politicize it.

They both also sent 100s of law enforcement and intelligence personnel to bolster security for traveling Australians and Kiwis which gives an indication as to how much they trust Turkey.

I think it is time that Australia and New Zealand commemorated their loses of Gallipoli on their own soil from now on as well as any other nation. I mean, wtf! Why go half way around the world to remember your fallen soldiers when you should be remembering them on your own soil with your own people? The Aussies and Kiwis can take turn on each other's country and keep it away from Turkey so not to let Erdogan and Gang to politicize it ever again.

Completely agree with you, Kiks. Fine to visit a father's memorial or such close kin, after some/several years. But after so many years, visiting a great, great etc uncle's place of death is rather dire. It would be like me visiting Marathon because a distant relative died there some centuries ago ...

And I agree with you, GIG!

Really? Do you disagree with the commemorations by Americans, and Canadians for D Day? It is exactly the same thing.

Every country has a right to commemorate the dead and most of all, the relatives of the fallen and all those who served amid incredible hardship.

Even Turkey has a right to commemorate those who defended the Peninsula.

Whether you like it or not, these areas will always be very important to the countries that have their dead buried there. Or is that somehow different because it's in France and not Turkey?

[Paphitis]

And do not forget that ANZAC a day is to commemorate all Australian fallen in all wars, even Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Most people overseas do not understand this.

Gallipoli has for some reason taken a life of its own probably because it was the first time Australia went to war as a free and independent country since Federation in 1901.

There were more Australian lives lost in France and Belgium than Gallipoli.

But Gallipoli was a tactically flawed landing as the ANZACs were forced to attack the Turks on high terrain. It was suicidal according to Churchill who was pleading at the time to stop the Australian offensive at Anzac Cove.

A good account of what occured here can be obtained from the memoirs of Bean and Keith Murdoch father of Rupert Murdoch. As the ANZACs landed, the Sea of Marmara turned red. It was an incredible waste. But the ANZACs continued to press and eventually had over run and taken over the Turkish positions but at an unjustifiable cost according to Bean and Murdoch.

To put it mildly, it was a botched landing in the wrong spot and no one really can understand why the ANZACs were sent there. A lot of resentment developed between Australia and UK over this.

No one could really understand the British commanders. It appeared as though the lives of these men had no value. It's probably the reason why Gallipoli is important to the Nationalistic Psyche of Australia and the desire of the Australian Colonials, decendents of convicts to distinguish themselves from Britain and to never forget the day Britain needlessly and irresponsibly sent the Colonials on a suicide mission. That's just a thought.

If it was so important, they should have sent their own troops there.

[Kikapu]

I think it is time that Australia and New Zealand commemorated their loses of Gallipoli on their own soil from now on as well as any other nation. I mean, wtf! Why go half way around the world to remember your fallen soldiers when you should be remembering them on your own soil with your own people? The Aussies and Kiwis can take turn on each other's country and keep it away from Turkey so not to let Erdogan and Gang to politicize it ever again.

Completely agree with you, Kiks. Fine to visit a father's memorial or such close kin, after some/several years. But after so many years, visiting a great, great etc uncle's place of death is rather dire. It would be like me visiting Marathon because a distant relative died there some centuries ago ...

And I agree with you, GIG!

Really? Do you disagree with the commemorations by Americans, and Canadians for D Day? It is exactly the same thing.

Every country has a right to commemorate the dead and most of all, the relatives of the fallen and all those who served amid incredible hardship.

Even Turkey has a right to commemorate those who defended the Peninsula.

Whether you like it or not, these areas will always be very important to the countries that have their dead buried there. Or is that somehow different because it's in France and not Turkey?

In the USA we have a Federal holiday called the "Memorial Day" end of May, which is to remember ALL fallen personel in the arm forces dating back to the American Civil War. What more do we need? As for those who go to visit France for D-Day, is because we won the war.

Allies lost soldiers by the thousands ALL over Europe during WWI & WWII. Who visits them? No one. Only to the Areas where the landing took place on D-Day.

I don't see anyone going to Vietnam, Korea or any other country in South East Asia and Middle East to commemorate our fallen soldiers in those counties or anywhere else for that matter, other than D-Day. US lost at least 56,000 troops each in Vietnam and Korea alone. Yes, we have memorial places for those dead in Washington to remember them, but no special trips to South East Asia, except by individuals if they wish to go for themselves. Does Australia send a delegation every year to commemorate their 500+ dead in Vietnam? What about in Korea?

We also have another Federal holiday, "Veterans Day" in November, for ALL those who have served in the arm forces.

[Paphitis]

I think it is time that Australia and New Zealand commemorated their loses of Gallipoli on their own soil from now on as well as any other nation. I mean, wtf! Why go half way around the world to remember your fallen soldiers when you should be remembering them on your own soil with your own people? The Aussies and Kiwis can take turn on each other's country and keep it away from Turkey so not to let Erdogan and Gang to politicize it ever again.

Completely agree with you, Kiks. Fine to visit a father's memorial or such close kin, after some/several years. But after so many years, visiting a great, great etc uncle's place of death is rather dire. It would be like me visiting Marathon because a distant relative died there some centuries ago ...

And I agree with you, GIG!

Really? Do you disagree with the commemorations by Americans, and Canadians for D Day? It is exactly the same thing.

Every country has a right to commemorate the dead and most of all, the relatives of the fallen and all those who served amid incredible hardship.

Even Turkey has a right to commemorate those who defended the Peninsula.

Whether you like it or not, these areas will always be very important to the countries that have their dead buried there. Or is that somehow different because it's in France and not Turkey?

In the USA we have a Federal holiday called the "Memorial Day" end of May, which is to remember ALL fallen personel in the arm forces dating back to the American Civil War. What more do we need? As for those who go to visit France for D-Day, is because we won the war.

Allies lost soldiers by the thousands ALL over Europe during WWI & WWII. Who visits them? No one. Only to the Areas where the landing took place on D-Day.

I don't see anyone going to Vietnam, Korea or any other country in South East Asia and Middle East to commemorate our fallen soldiers in those counties or anywhere else for that matter, other than D-Day. US lost at least 56,000 troops each in Vietnam and Korea alone. Yes, we have memorial places for those dead in Washington to remember them, but no special trips to South East Asia, except by individuals if they wish to go for themselves. Does Australia send a delegation every year to commemorate their 500+ dead in Vietnam? What about in Korea?

We also have another Federal holiday, "Veterans Day" in November, for ALL those who have served in the arm forces.

ANZAC Day is in fact a Memorial Day for all wars and emergencies.

It's the equivalent to 25th if March for Greece. It is a National Holiday for all the fallen and also for those who have served and are still serving.

The Australian Defence For e even goes to Vietnam but that is only a recent development because in previous years that would not be possible.

Commemorations are even held on the island of Crete where Australia lost just over 500 troops. France and Belgium is pretty big in comparison to that though as there are thousands of fallen.

Australians travel all over the world to visit grave sites and memorials mostly to retrace their ancestors footsteps. I would want to do the same. It's not hard to understand.

Even Australian UN personnel who served in Cyprus march on ANZAC Day. It's not just about Gallipoli. That is a huge misconception. Even Morean vets March. Not only this, but every year there is a small contingent of Greek Korean vets who March on ANZAC day with the Greek Flag. In fact, Greeks actually have their own branch of The Returned Soldiers League which is an offshoot of the Australian RSL. As I said, they March on ANZAC Day and they were Greek Soldiers.

So why is Gallipoli so important? That is a hard question to answer. Losses were tremendous but there were greater losses in France by a long shot. It was also a defeat. It could be for many reasons combined such as it being the first time Australia went to war as a Nation, the sense of betrayal by the stiff British Commanders, or because it was a bungled operation.

No one really knows but the entire event is milked in order to provide some kind of National Identity and Psyche. Some people say Australia needed Gallipoli as a wake up call to stand on its own 2 feet. Maybe that is an attempt to not allow the huge loss of life to be in vain.

Young families get the opportunity to mourn their ancestors. The Nation gets to express its gratitude for the sacrifice of our soldiers and young children can feel an element of National Pride. Nothing wrong with that.