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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:17 pm

Lordo wrote:gelibolu will never be cancelled because it is a town. the commemoration of those who gave their lives for their country however will never be cancelled. as to those invading barbarians, well those who died there are now in hell and those who have not died yet will go to hell.


That's right it will never be cancelled and Australians can commemorate Galipoli in Australia with no issue at all.

There is no need to send officials to Turkey when Turkey is disrespecting this commemoration and politicizing it by using it to overshadow another commemoration for the Armenian Genocide.

Australian Diggers ended up on these Death Marches into the desert until they perished with many other Armenians at their side.

In fact, I do not believe the Australian Government or the Australian Defence Force and the Return Soldiers league and the Department of Veteran Affairs will be very appreciative of Turkey's actions.

It was fantastic when we actually forbid Turkish Veterans from marching at ANZAC parades in Australia some years back. That was related to Cyprus and our opposition to the continued occupation of Cyprus and the fact that some Veterans were involved in the invasion of Cyprus. It was also good because the Hellenic Returned Soldiers League of Korean Vets in Australia made it happen and the Australian branch agreed with this 100%
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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:31 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:gelibolu will never be cancelled because it is a town. the commemoration of those who gave their lives for their country however will never be cancelled. as to those invading barbarians, well those who died there are now in hell and those who have not died yet will go to hell.


That's right it will never be cancelled and Australians can commemorate Galipoli in Australia with no issue at all.

There is no need to send officials to Turkey when Turkey is disrespecting this commemoration and politicizing it by using it to overshadow another commemoration for the Armenian Genocide.

Australian Diggers ended up on these Death Marches into the desert until they perished with many other Armenians at their side.

In fact, I do not believe the Australian Government or the Australian Defence Force and the Return Soldiers league and the Department of Veteran Affairs will be very appreciative of Turkey's actions.

It was fantastic when we actually forbid Turkish Veterans from marching at ANZAC parades in Australia some years back. That was related to Cyprus and our opposition to the continued occupation of Cyprus and the fact that some Veterans were involved in the invasion of Cyprus. It was also good because the Hellenic Returned Soldiers League of Korean Vets in Australia made it happen and the Australian branch agreed with this 100%

you what?
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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:51 pm

Lordo wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:gelibolu will never be cancelled because it is a town. the commemoration of those who gave their lives for their country however will never be cancelled. as to those invading barbarians, well those who died there are now in hell and those who have not died yet will go to hell.


That's right it will never be cancelled and Australians can commemorate Galipoli in Australia with no issue at all.

There is no need to send officials to Turkey when Turkey is disrespecting this commemoration and politicizing it by using it to overshadow another commemoration for the Armenian Genocide.

Australian Diggers ended up on these Death Marches into the desert until they perished with many other Armenians at their side.

In fact, I do not believe the Australian Government or the Australian Defence Force and the Return Soldiers league and the Department of Veteran Affairs will be very appreciative of Turkey's actions.

It was fantastic when we actually forbid Turkish Veterans from marching at ANZAC parades in Australia some years back. That was related to Cyprus and our opposition to the continued occupation of Cyprus and the fact that some Veterans were involved in the invasion of Cyprus. It was also good because the Hellenic Returned Soldiers League of Korean Vets in Australia made it happen and the Australian branch agreed with this 100%

you what?


There was a big backlash when some Turkish Criminals were going to march in ANZAC parades in Australia from the highest levels of the Returned Soldiers League.

They were told that they can not participate.
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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:37 pm

you what?
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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:45 pm

Lordo wrote:you what?


Not me. Others I know very well to this day.
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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Alectryon » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:33 am

The Allies at Gallipoli: Defeat in 1915, Disgrace in 2015

April 25 will mark 100 years since the Allies—the UK, Australia, New Zealand, and France—made their ill-fated landing on Turkey’s Gallipoli peninsula during WWI. Having barely gotten off the beaches after months of fighting, the Allies withdrew in defeat, leaving over 44,000 dead and 97,000 wounded.

As in recent years, thousands will flock from the Allied countries and elsewhere to Gallipoli for the Turkish-led April 24-25 commemorations. Numerous world dignitaries, including Australia’s and New Zealand’s prime ministers and Prince Charles, will also attend.

In April, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand hold Gallipoli remembrances on their own soil and elsewhere. And throughout the year, their citizens visit Gallipoli to pay tribute to the UK’s 21,000, Australia and New Zealand’s 11,000, and France’s 10,000 dead. This is proper and honorable.

However, thronging to April’s sham commemoration staged in and by Turkey, a notorious human rights violator? Which had mistreated Allied POWs? Which today abuses its remaining Christians, as well as Alevis, Kurds, and Jews? Which also committed genocide and pillage against millions of indigenous Christian Armenian, Assyrian, and Greek civilians during the Gallipoli battle and for years afterward? And which arrogantly denies having done so?

The UK, Australia, and New Zealand themselves have made the Gallipoli ceremonies in Turkey something less than solemn. Smiling lottery winners receive tickets to the event. Youngsters vie to become Gallipoli “youth ambassadors” and win all-expense paid trips. Is Gallipoli the resting place of valorous Allied troops—or Disneyworld Turkey?

Turkey’s Gallipoli Charade

Westerners often do not understand Turkey. The Turkish government does not mourn the Allied dead any more than it cares about the victims of its genocides and the deliberately unmarked, mass graves in which they lie.

Turkey enjoys the spectacle of defeated foreigners trudging to Gallipoli. Indeed, Turkey holds a huge Gallipoli celebration the month before. This year, it displayed a victory banner 1915 meters long. Meanwhile, Turkey’s Defense Ministry has reportedly removed the names of non-Muslims from the list of its soldiers who died at Gallipoli.

2015’s Gallipoli attendees can anticipate a lecture by Turkey’s egomaniacal President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. He just built himself a gaudy 1100-room palace for a reported $615 million. In 2013, Erdoğan killed demonstrators in Gezi Square who were protesting his authoritarian rule, and regularly sues and jails journalists.

Genocide and Denial

The Armenian, Assyrian, and Greek genocides in Turkey were reported extensively at the time in Allied countries’ newspapers. France, Great Britain, and Russia issued Turkey this famous warning in May 1915: “The Allied governments … will hold personally responsible … all members of the Ottoman [Turkish] government and those of their agents who are implicated in such massacres.” Australian and New Zealand (Anzac) POWs, such as Captain Thomas Walter White, witnessed and later wrote about the genocides.

Winston Churchill termed them a “holocaust.” “Race extermination,” declared U.S. Ambassador to Turkey Henry Morgenthau in 1915. It was that extermination which first motivated Raphael Lemkin, the Polish Jewish lawyer who later coined the word “genocide.”

The parliaments of the European Union, Canada, France, Lebanon, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland, Uruguay, and many others, as well as a U.N. sub-commission, the Vatican, and the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS), have recognized the Armenian genocide. IAGS has also recognized the Assyrian and Greek genocides. In 1951, the U.S. referred to the Armenian “genocide” in a filing with the International Court of Justice (World Court).

But the governments of the UK (except for Scotland and Wales), Australia (except for New South Wales and South Australia), and New Zealand refuse to acknowledge these genocides. They fear Turkey’s reaction. Contrast their gutlessness with the courage of Allied soldiers at Gallipoli.

By ignoring the Armenian genocide, New Zealand and Australia are “tacitly complicit in” genocide denial, says New Zealand writer and businessman Stephen Keys. “Is [Turkey] the sort of government we as New Zealanders are proud to stand alongside on April 25, 2015?” Officially, 2015 is “The Year of Turkey in Australia.” A more apt name: “The Year of Turkish and Australian Genocide Denials.”

France, on the other hand, has acknowledged the Armenian genocide despite Turkish threats. A large French delegation headed by President Hollande will be in Armenia on April 24 for the Genocide Centenary. On that day in 1915, Turkey arrested and murdered hundreds of Armenian intellectuals, doctors, priests, writers, and other community leaders as part of the genocide.

Turkish Bullies

Turkey enjoys bullying others over Gallipoli. Five years ago, it initially refused to issue visas to Australian and New Zealand archeologists who were to map Gallipoli’s battlefields. Turkey was angry that Bonnyrigg, a Sydney suburb, had allowed construction of a monument commemorating the Christian Assyrian genocide.

Two years back, Turkey threatened to ban New South Wales MPs from Gallipoli because NSW had recognized the Armenian genocide.

Afraid of further incurring Turkey’s wrath, earlier this year NSW installed—surreptitiously—a plaque in Sydney’s Hyde Park honoring the Turkish hero of Gallipoli, and later president, Kemal Atatürk. The plaque’s fine words, allegedly penned by him, are undoubtedly insincere and perhaps inauthentic. Moreover, this “hero” continued the evil deeds of his predecessors.

Ataturk, Genocide, and Hitler

Atatürk welcomed veteran genocidists, such as Abdülhalik Renda and Şükrü Kaya, into his new government. From 1919 to 1923, Atatürk’s forces murdered and expelled Christians who had survived the genocides.

In 1937, Atatürk directed the slaughter, sometimes using poison gas, of thousands of Alevi Kurdish civilians, including women and children, in the Dersim region. Among the victims were Armenians who had found shelter there.

Hitler admired Atatürk’s brutality. Atatürk was “the greatest man of the century,” the Führer told Turkey’s Milliyet newspaper in 1933, and “Turkey was our role model.” Indeed, in WWI, some German officers took part in the Armenian genocide.

Visitors to Gallipoli will bow before Atatürk’s statue unaware of his appalling record.

The Dead Speak

The Allies fought WWI gallantly. Armenians from many countries were among them. Armenians even formed a special French Foreign Legion unit that fought with particular distinction. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians also served in Allied armies in WWII, while Turkey remained neutral and cozied up to Nazi Germany.

Beneath Gallipoli’s shores and hills, the courageous Allied dead surely whisper, ‘Please, honor our memories by going elsewhere in April, and shun Turkey’s victory dance on our graves and those of millions of Christian innocents.’

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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Lordo » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:45 pm

may all the terggs who died protecting their country from the infidel rest in peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbCF0iwjxfA
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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Alectryon » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:43 pm

Lordo wrote:may all the terggs who died protecting their country from the infidel rest in peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbCF0iwjxfA


If the Turks didn't sneakily attack the Russians out of nowhere in 1914, there would not have been infidels attacking their "country". But the Ottoman government needed the cover of war to exterminate it's unwanted infidel Christians. May the honorable Turks rest in peace. May the Genociders burn in hell.
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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Lordo » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:51 pm

Alectryon wrote:
Lordo wrote:may all the terggs who died protecting their country from the infidel rest in peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbCF0iwjxfA


If the Turks didn't sneakily attack the Russians out of nowhere in 1914, there would not have been infidels attacking their "country". But the Ottoman government needed the cover of war to exterminate it's unwanted infidel Christians. May the honorable Turks rest in peace. May the Genociders burn in hell.

perhaps you can also tell us what the russians did to the cherkez tergs before 1914. the christians invade other people land on the excuse od defending themselves. the ausis and the kiwis invaded terggy to defend their country. it does on to this day. the yanks attack iraq and afghanistan and syria under the same excuse. funny enough the romans used the same idea to attack the germanic people and the greeks used it to attack the persians and indians as well as africans.
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Re: Turkey Cancels Gallipoli "celebrations"

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:02 pm

Lordo wrote:
Alectryon wrote:
Lordo wrote:may all the terggs who died protecting their country from the infidel rest in peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbCF0iwjxfA


If the Turks didn't sneakily attack the Russians out of nowhere in 1914, there would not have been infidels attacking their "country". But the Ottoman government needed the cover of war to exterminate it's unwanted infidel Christians. May the honorable Turks rest in peace. May the Genociders burn in hell.

perhaps you can also tell us what the russians did to the cherkez tergs before 1914. the christians invade other people land on the excuse od defending themselves. the ausis and the kiwis invaded terggy to defend their country. it does on to this day. the yanks attack iraq and afghanistan and syria under the same excuse. funny enough the romans used the same idea to attack the germanic people and the greeks used it to attack the persians and indians as well as africans.


Why mention just the ANZACS from Australia and New Zealand? Why no mention of the British, French, Greeks, Indians, and Irish?

You sided with Germany and that's why you were attacked! Yes that's right. The Australians and Kiwis didn't just wake up one morning and said "what a lovely day it is to invade Turkey".

It's also apparent that their decision was a sound one because you committed genocide against 1.5 million Armenians.

And one more thing. You were defeated military - outgunned and slaughtered defending stolen Greek lands.
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