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[gus]

How do you think GC would probably voted to de 24th April referendum if in the presidential elections Glafkos Cleridis would won?

Do you think GC public opinion was "manipulated" by Tassos Papadopoulos? What if the president said 'you have to vote yes' to the Annan Plan? Would this have changed the result of the referendum and the history of Cyprus?

Thank you for your opinions!

[Kifeas]

How do you think GC would probably voted to de 24th April referendum if in the presidential elections Glafkos Cleridis would won?

Do you think GC public opinion was "manipulated" by Tassos Papadopoulos? What if the president said 'you have to vote yes' to the Annan Plan? Would this have changed the result of the referendum and the history of Cyprus?

Thank you for your opinions!

It would have been less than 76%, but still a "No." To have gotten a Yes to such a plan, besides the president, the vast majority of political parties should have also supported it, and still a marginal one.

[Sotos]

Why some people think we voted no because Papadopolous told us?

[gus]

Sotos, I don't think you voted 'no' because Papadopoulos said it. I know you voted 'no' because the Annan Plan was too biased to TC. I was wondering myself what could be changed if Cleridis were in power (I mean, a supporting of the 'yes'). In most countries if a government have good intention of votes, they could make a difference in the polls.

[cypezokyli]

there are all kinds of variables that could have been different.
i dont know about the plan itself, or the move in NY. but before NY, as it was posted in an article a couple of days ago, clerides was also not able to predict the outcome (only the greek foreign minister).

clerides would have carried the weight of being "the president". and that makes a whole big difference.

the public channels and radios would have been under his direct control, therefore the propoaganda game would have been different (and who knows about phileleftheros...)

it could even affect AKELs decision, since akel wouldnt be bounded by the president they elected. some people even believe that it would have been a whole different if akel voted yes, even with pap as president..

or even the greek goverment stance. its a common secret that the greek goverment would have been happy if we said yes.

for sure the 76% would have been different. between the yes and the no, we all speculate.
and if that was different. if the no was smaller, perhaps we would have had already negotiations. or at least after a no clerides would have tried to negotiate...

[bg_turk]

Sotos, I don't think you voted 'no' because Papadopoulos said it. I know you voted 'no' because the Annan Plan was too biased to TC. I was wondering myself what could be changed if Cleridis were in power (I mean, a supporting of the 'yes'). In most countries if a government have good intention of votes, they could make a difference in the polls.

what would have changed if Clerides was in power was that he would have negotiated in good faith and made sure that the concerns of greek cypriots were met.
Papadopolous wanted the plan to be unacceptable to GCs and have it rejected, so that he could use the EU card later.

[Piratis]

what would have changed if Clerides was in power was that he would have negotiated in good faith and made sure that the concerns of greek cypriots were met.

He was the one who was negotiating the Annan plan for the 90% of the time. Why the concerns of Greek Cypriots were not met?

The truth is that the people decided way before the leaders what they would vote. DISY asked their followers to vote "yes", yet almost 70% of them voted no. This prooves that while many sheeps exist who would vote anything their leaders tell them, the majority has a mind of its own when it comes to such critical issues.

The only way that a "yes" vote could be achived is if this "yes" was supported by all major parties and almost nobody existed to explain to the people the obvious unfairness of the A plan.

[gus]

Piratis: Very clever explanation.

Mr.Annan position is to blame Papadopoulos for asking his people to vote "no". This is what international opinion (and EU decition makers) do to see the easy face of the referendum: the majority of TC wanted 'reconciliation' on a biased plan. GC showed they had no intention to open their arms to their compatriots of North Cyprus....

A very simple way to see the things...

[TheCabbie]

How do you think GC would probably voted to de 24th April referendum if in the presidential elections Glafkos Cleridis would won?

Do you think GC public opinion was "manipulated" by Tassos Papadopoulos? What if the president said 'you have to vote yes' to the Annan Plan? Would this have changed the result of the referendum and the history of Cyprus?

Thank you for your opinions!

I think that Tassos Papadopoulos's rejection of the Annan plan guaranteed the referendum would be a No vote on the part of the Greek Cypriots.

I doubt that Tassos Papadopoulos has the Statesmanship quality, that Glafkos Cleridis, in my opinion does have, required to make any solution.

[BirKibrisli]

The results of this referandum is smelling worse and worse with the passing of time.I think both sides were somewhat manipulated.The Plan was designed to elicit a NO vote from the South and a YES from the NOrth. This was to open the way for Turkey to begin accession talks with EU.Now that that is done it is back to the old status quo.The fact that the TRNC got absolutely no benefits for voting YES goes to support what I am saying. The biggest losers out of the referandum were the TCs followed by the GCs,imo.Does anyone agree?