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[Atheist]

And one more point Nikitas. If the Turks wanted to take the whole Cyprus militarily disregarding any international political consequences, and what was stopping them was just CNG, then why wouldn't they agree to any solution we want as long as Cyprus is demilitarized (which is something we already agreed) and then come the next day and occupy the whole Cyprus?

Occupying an entire country is not an easy thing to accomplish for any power. not even the USA can accomplish this with complete security and we are talking about a superpower here.

I actually believe that this would have played into our hands somewhat, because Cypriots would have just organized themselves into a Guerrilla outfit and that is something that is very difficult to combat as a conventional army. Cypriots have done this before.

All of a sudden, Turkey has an eternal war on its hands that is never ending. The International Community would be forced into action, at least at a diplomatic level.

There would be so much pressure on Turkey for a resolution.

That is the case with Israel/Palestine. Neither Turkey wants such problem and of course neither we want to become Palestinians.

If they occupy the entire country what else are you going to do?

Either you will leave or you will fight. And if you don't want to be "like a Palestinian" thousands of others won't see it your way and we end up with another EOKA.

Yes. And who is going to gain from such an outcome? Neither us nor Turkey.

[Paphitis]

And one more point Nikitas. If the Turks wanted to take the whole Cyprus militarily disregarding any international political consequences, and what was stopping them was just CNG, then why wouldn't they agree to any solution we want as long as Cyprus is demilitarized (which is something we already agreed) and then come the next day and occupy the whole Cyprus?

Occupying an entire country is not an easy thing to accomplish for any power. not even the USA can accomplish this with complete security and we are talking about a superpower here.

I actually believe that this would have played into our hands somewhat, because Cypriots would have just organized themselves into a Guerrilla outfit and that is something that is very difficult to combat as a conventional army. Cypriots have done this before.

All of a sudden, Turkey has an eternal war on its hands that is never ending. The International Community would be forced into action, at least at a diplomatic level.

There would be so much pressure on Turkey for a resolution.

That is the case with Israel/Palestine. Neither Turkey wants such problem and of course neither we want to become Palestinians.

If they occupy the entire country what else are you going to do?

Either you will leave or you will fight. And if you don't want to be "like a Palestinian" thousands of others won't see it your way and we end up with another EOKA.

Yes. And who is going to gain from such an outcome? Neither us nor Turkey.

You will gain eventual liberation.

Do you think the Turkish Military will tolerate 2 or so soldiers being sent back to Turkey in body bags each and every day? I don't think so.

That is something that wears a Superpower down and it was effective against the British Occupiers.

[Atheist]

Atheist, the funding of the CNG is already reduced... we can't totally disband the army because that would be a message of surrender. Our army has more of a symbolic meaning. It says "We don't give up and if we ever get the chance we will use force to get back what is ours". Of course that chance doesn't seem to be anywhere near... so we could temporarily reduce far more the army and give loyal reservists such as myself a break because we have better things to do than wasting a whole day just to fire 10 shots... if any But this is not done because some politicians have to eat from the commissions they get from arm sales and of course most Cypriots as you see are against this... so no party wants to do something that most people don't support.

Note that in my proposal I wrote "Significantly reduce the army" and not "disband the army".

How are you going to reduce the army?

Either everyone does National Service or no one.

If you ask me, it should be expanded to include females. It works every where else and Israel is very proud of its women in the IDF.

Stop spending money on expensive arm systems that we can't afford to buy or maintain and reduce the number of soldiers to just a small professional army.

Maybe we should make our women suicide bombers? That might work better. Imagine the damage that 300.000 exploding women could do All that of course while you and your family are safe in Australia

[Atheist]

You will gain eventual liberation.

Do you think the Turkish Military will tolerate 2 or so soldiers being sent back to Turkey in body bags each and every day? I don't think so.

That is something that wears a Superpower down and it was effective against the British Occupiers.

The British got what they wanted. We didn't. And no, the Turks wouldn't want that, which is why they wouldn't occupy the whole Cyprus. But if they did then "eventual liberation" wouldn't be the result of it. Otherwise Palestine or Kurdistan would also be liberated by now.

[Paphitis]

You will gain eventual liberation.

Do you think the Turkish Military will tolerate 2 or so soldiers being sent back to Turkey in body bags each and every day? I don't think so.

That is something that wears a Superpower down and it was effective against the British Occupiers.

The British got what they wanted. We didn't. And no, the Turks wouldn't want that, which is why they wouldn't occupy the whole Cyprus. But if they did then "eventual liberation" wouldn't be the result of it. Otherwise Palestine or Kurdistan would also be liberated by now.

The Turks didn't want to take the entire island because it would be a most unpleasant can of worms.

They ethnically cleansed a portion of the island and took that, but if they believed that it would be easy for them to take the entire island and that there would be no repercussions in doing so, then they would have done it by now.

[Paphitis]

Atheist, the funding of the CNG is already reduced... we can't totally disband the army because that would be a message of surrender. Our army has more of a symbolic meaning. It says "We don't give up and if we ever get the chance we will use force to get back what is ours". Of course that chance doesn't seem to be anywhere near... so we could temporarily reduce far more the army and give loyal reservists such as myself a break because we have better things to do than wasting a whole day just to fire 10 shots... if any But this is not done because some politicians have to eat from the commissions they get from arm sales and of course most Cypriots as you see are against this... so no party wants to do something that most people don't support.

Note that in my proposal I wrote "Significantly reduce the army" and not "disband the army".

How are you going to reduce the army?

Either everyone does National Service or no one.

If you ask me, it should be expanded to include females. It works every where else and Israel is very proud of its women in the IDF.

Stop spending money on expensive arm systems that we can't afford to buy or maintain and reduce the number of soldiers to just a small professional army.

Maybe we should make our women suicide bombers? That might work better. Imagine the damage that 300.000 exploding women could do All that of course while you and your family are safe in Australia

No suicide bombers.

Women are very effective soldiers actually, when they are trained just like the men. They are a lot tougher than you give them credit for.

I have seen it for myself and they are just as determined too. You can theoretically train them into Special Ops too and I bet many will be able to kill you with their bare hands.

[Atheist]

If we had a population of 40.000.000 women that could be a solution. But we don't, so the result in our power would effectively just be 0+0=0

[Paphitis]

Atheist, the funding of the CNG is already reduced... we can't totally disband the army because that would be a message of surrender. Our army has more of a symbolic meaning. It says "We don't give up and if we ever get the chance we will use force to get back what is ours". Of course that chance doesn't seem to be anywhere near... so we could temporarily reduce far more the army and give loyal reservists such as myself a break because we have better things to do than wasting a whole day just to fire 10 shots... if any But this is not done because some politicians have to eat from the commissions they get from arm sales and of course most Cypriots as you see are against this... so no party wants to do something that most people don't support.

Note that in my proposal I wrote "Significantly reduce the army" and not "disband the army".

How are you going to reduce the army?

Either everyone does National Service or no one.

If you ask me, it should be expanded to include females. It works every where else and Israel is very proud of its women in the IDF.

Stop spending money on expensive arm systems that we can't afford to buy or maintain and reduce the number of soldiers to just a small professional army.

Maybe we should make our women suicide bombers? That might work better. Imagine the damage that 300.000 exploding women could do All that of course while you and your family are safe in Australia

If and when Cyprus is liberated, you can have a professional army.

Right now, you can't afford it because your not Australia or Canada which are not occupied or run a zero risk of invasion.

[Paphitis]

If we had a population of 40.000.000 women that could be a solution. But we don't, so the result in our power would effectively just be 0+0=0

Israel has a population of 7 million.

The Pesherga derive their recruits from a couple of million.

Cyprus can mobilize to 100,000 men and a few women volunteers. Imagine mobilizing to 200,000.

Do the Turks have this many in Cyprus? Can they bring that many to Cyprus? NO they can't.

[Atheist]

The photos you posted show Kurdish women fighters. The Kurds are 20 million people. What have they managed in their fight against Turkey?