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[Atheist]

There you go Atheist, congratulations you won your first TC medal, now go F yourself, take your money and go live in Turkey. We don't need cowards in Cyprus.

Of course you show respect to a wanker calling your shots.

In what way am I coward and you are not? If serving in the army is an act of bravery then I am at least as brave as you are. What have you done more than me? Saying that you can defeat the Turkish army is not an act of bravery. You might say that you can defeat the whole world if you want. That wouldn't make you any braver, it would just mean that you are an idiot making idiotic claims.

I never claimed such thing, you did. But I don't feel the need to trash the CNG to look good infront of the Turk. You just embold them. Yes Turkey has a mighty military, but the CNG can hold its own, albeit for a short time. Why just open the door for anyone to walk in uncontested. The CNG is for defense purposes, of course we can't attack, but imagine if we had nothing, do you think Turkey would not just walk over?

If we all had your mentality we would all have committed mass suicide by now.

Like I said I would rather die standing than sitting.

If Turkey wanted to take the whole Cyprus they would have done it in 1974 or in any time thereafter. The CNG is not an obstacle to them. What is stopping them is not the CNG, but the international consequences they would face. The Americans OK'd the Turkish invasion in 1974 for 1/3rd of Cyprus and that is why the Turks occupied that much. The Turks have no excuse and no approval to take the whole Cyprus. Only if we do something very stupid they could gain an excuse, such as trying to use our army to liberate occupied Cyprus. Like Georgia did when they tried to take back South Ossetia and they ended up losing more ground to the Russians instead of gaining any. Our army is a liability and a source of danger for us not for Turkey.

If you want to die standing we don't need to waste millions. Grigoris Afxentiou is the best example of somebody who died standing and he didn't have any of that. But the 99.9% of people are no such heroes. They will fight for as long as they have a chance of winning the battle. If they have zero chance then they will surrender rather than die.

[Atheist]

And about the CNG "holding for a short time". That is a common argument. "We will hold for a few days until Greece comes to save us". That is making the assumption that Greece could and would do that. They didn't do it in 74 and the fact is that not only the Turkish army is bigger but that Cyprus is far closer to Turkey than Greece which would make things even more difficult for Greece to provide real help even if they wanted to.

[Nikitas]

Greece will most definitely NOT help, it will be too busy manning defences stretching from Kastellorizo to Evros. Whatever you may think of them, they have one of the best and action ready armed forces in the world. one that cannot be ignored. The fire power built up over the years is capable of turning great parts of Turkey to rubble. That will be the most urgent business for Turkey and not the CNG. You chose to overlook the strategy that mild mannered Papandrou summarised not so long ago- any conflict will be a very hard clash along the whole line of engagement, and not a local "manageable" crisis.

And all that without moving one single Greek soldier to Cyprus.

Precisely because the conflict cannot be contained and localised is probably the reason Greece is not letting go of the management of the Cyprus National Guard, it does not want a surprise.

Atheist, you are turning strange in your old age.

[Paphitis]

And about the CNG "holding for a short time". That is a common argument. "We will hold for a few days until Greece comes to save us". That is making the assumption that Greece could and would do that. They didn't do it in 74 and the fact is that not only the Turkish army is bigger but that Cyprus is far closer to Turkey than Greece which would make things even more difficult for Greece to provide real help even if they wanted to.

I think the CNG has a lot more ambition than just holding the enemy for a few days!

They are more than capable of dealing with the Turkish Forces they will encounter on the island, because that is all they will encounter realistically. Their means of resupply and to reinforce is somewhat very limited.

[Paphitis]

Greece will most definitely NOT help, it will be too busy manning defences stretching from Kastellorizo to Evros. Whatever you may think of them, they have one of the best and action ready armed forces in the world. one that cannot be ignored. The fire power built up over the years is capable of turning great parts of Turkey to rubble. That will be the most urgent business for Turkey and not the CNG. You chose to overlook the strategy that mild mannered Papandrou summarised not so long ago- any conflict will be a very hard clash along the whole line of engagement, and not a local "manageable" crisis.

And all that without moving one single Greek soldier to Cyprus.

Precisely because the conflict cannot be contained and localised is probably the reason Greece is not letting go of the management of the Cyprus National Guard, it does not want a surprise.

Atheist, you are turning strange in your old age.

Agreed 100% Nikitas.

The Greek Armed Forces are very well armed and equipped and well positioned to deal with any Turkish threats and to also keep the Turkish military very busy if required.

Get Real is also correct. Any war in Cyprus will be between forces already stationed there. it's all very well saying that Turkey has a military of 700,000 but they are not all going to abandon their other posts and send them all over and expose themselves elsewhere. Plus they don't have the logistics.

[Paphitis]

But the 99.9% of people are no such heroes. They will fight for as long as they have a chance of winning the battle. If they have zero chance then they will surrender rather than die.

Maybe the 99.9% will get to understand things a little clearer that there is no surrender without this being ordered by the CO.

If anyone wants to disobey this chain, perhaps being shot in the back will send a clearer message to the other 99.9%

It's harsh, but there is a lot more at stake here and sometimes these things are necessary and they have been practiced before by many countries, including USA and Australia unofficially as such deaths where chalked as KIA by the enemy.

When a CO makes such a drastic decision, they do not have you in mind, but the rest of the unit and the strategic task at hand.

We are talking about the military here right? Not F-Troops.

If you think they will let you surrender whilst the rest remain at their posts, only for you to betray them, you got another thing coming!

They will tell your family that you fought very hard as well and even reward you with a medal.

[Atheist]

Greece will most definitely NOT help, it will be too busy manning defences stretching from Kastellorizo to Evros. Whatever you may think of them, they have one of the best and action ready armed forces in the world. one that cannot be ignored. The fire power built up over the years is capable of turning great parts of Turkey to rubble. That will be the most urgent business for Turkey and not the CNG. You chose to overlook the strategy that mild mannered Papandrou summarised not so long ago- any conflict will be a very hard clash along the whole line of engagement, and not a local "manageable" crisis.

And all that without moving one single Greek soldier to Cyprus.

Precisely because the conflict cannot be contained and localised is probably the reason Greece is not letting go of the management of the Cyprus National Guard, it does not want a surprise.

Atheist, you are turning strange in your old age.

Nikitas, if Greece was able and willing to go to war with Turkey because of Cyprus then why haven't they done this in 74 or ever since? Greece didn't dare to even increase their territorial waters to 12 miles even though this is their right by international law because they are afraid of the Turkish reaction.

It is apparent that the Greek state does not have such a great belief in their own army, and they probably know its capabilities better than you do.

[Atheist]

And about the CNG "holding for a short time". That is a common argument. "We will hold for a few days until Greece comes to save us". That is making the assumption that Greece could and would do that. They didn't do it in 74 and the fact is that not only the Turkish army is bigger but that Cyprus is far closer to Turkey than Greece which would make things even more difficult for Greece to provide real help even if they wanted to.

I think the CNG has a lot more ambition than just holding the enemy for a few days!

They are more than capable of dealing with the Turkish Forces they will encounter on the island, because that is all they will encounter realistically. Their means of resupply and to reinforce is somewhat very limited.

Nonsense I already gave answers to such stupid arguments.

[Get Real!]

And about the CNG "holding for a short time". That is a common argument. "We will hold for a few days until Greece comes to save us". That is making the assumption that Greece could and would do that. They didn't do it in 74 and the fact is that not only the Turkish army is bigger but that Cyprus is far closer to Turkey than Greece which would make things even more difficult for Greece to provide real help even if they wanted to.

I think the CNG has a lot more ambition than just holding the enemy for a few days!

They are more than capable of dealing with the Turkish Forces they will encounter on the island, because that is all they will encounter realistically. Their means of resupply and to reinforce is somewhat very limited.

Nonsense I already gave answers to such stupid arguments.

I challenge you to explain to us MILITARILY how Turkey will go about defeating 120,000 men and all their military hardware in a “few days”.

Don't just throw big words around... explain it in detail.

[Paphitis]

Greece will most definitely NOT help, it will be too busy manning defences stretching from Kastellorizo to Evros. Whatever you may think of them, they have one of the best and action ready armed forces in the world. one that cannot be ignored. The fire power built up over the years is capable of turning great parts of Turkey to rubble. That will be the most urgent business for Turkey and not the CNG. You chose to overlook the strategy that mild mannered Papandrou summarised not so long ago- any conflict will be a very hard clash along the whole line of engagement, and not a local "manageable" crisis.

And all that without moving one single Greek soldier to Cyprus.

Precisely because the conflict cannot be contained and localised is probably the reason Greece is not letting go of the management of the Cyprus National Guard, it does not want a surprise.

Atheist, you are turning strange in your old age.

Nikitas, if Greece was able and willing to go to war with Turkey because of Cyprus then why haven't they done this in 74 or ever since? Greece didn't dare to even increase their territorial waters to 12 miles even though this is their right by international law because they are afraid of the Turkish reaction.

It is apparent that the Greek state does not have such a great belief in their own army, and they probably know its capabilities better than you do.

Oh here we go.

Perhaps Greece should follow your advice also.