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[Atheist]

The US did invade North Korea. They failed because North Korea had (and continues to have) the backing of China.

If you think CNG can defeat the Turkish Army then you are way beyond the realm of realism.

The Turkish Military does not have the logistical might to reinforce its troops in Cyprus quickly.

They can reinforce before the war as much as they want, and they can reinforce during the war also. On the other hand we can't reinforce period ("not quickly" is much better than "not at all")

Further to that, they will have no airports or ports because these would be destroyed in the first hours.

Why would they need them when Turkey is so close?

Potentially, they will need another beachhead and that could be very messy.

What beachhead? They already occupy 1/3rd of the island.

But what you are proposing, is almost an open invitation for the Turkish Military to go for a leisurely Sunday drive all the way to Paphos.

And you think what is stopping them to get to Paphos is the CNG? If they were allowed by the Americans to take Paphos they could have taken it in 74 just as easily as they took everything else.

[Paphitis]

The US did invade North Korea. They failed because North Korea had (and continues to have) the backing of China.

If you think CNG can defeat the Turkish Army then you are way beyond the realm of realism.

The Turkish Military does not have the logistical might to reinforce its troops in Cyprus quickly.

They can reinforce before the war as much as they want, and they can reinforce during the war also. On the other hand we can't reinforce period ("not quickly" is much better than "not at all")

Further to that, they will have no airports or ports because these would be destroyed in the first hours.

Why would they need them when Turkey is so close?

Potentially, they will need another beachhead and that could be very messy.

What beachhead? They already occupy 1/3rd of the island.

But what you are proposing, is almost an open invitation for the Turkish Military to go for a leisurely Sunday drive all the way to Paphos.

And you think what is stopping them to get to Paphos is the CNG? If they were allowed by the Americans to take Paphos they could have taken it in 74 just as easily as they took everything else.

No North Korea does not have the backing of China. It's very superficial I'm afraid. China is not going to war for North Korea because they will have too much to lose themselves.

At the moment, China is that far up Australia's arse. So yes, North Korea is very much isolated and on its own whereas South Korea has a lot of support, which I might add also includes all NATO alliance members. But it's not a simple case of the US, South Korea and its NATO allies invading the North. Even if they win, we would be looking at a war that might last over a decade with hundreds of thousands dead on all sides. Hence there is a big deterrence and a willingness on the American side to try and maintain the ceasefire. I think North Korea is less willing.

If there is a war in Cyprus, Turkey will no longer have full control of 1/3 of the island. The CNG will break the lines and the warfare will go from town to town, house to house. Everything will be very porous, and it would be difficult for the Turkish Military to have a safe beachhead. Their airports will be destroyed, but so will ours. The fighting could be all over the place and very difficult to predict what will happen. Basically, no one will be completely in control of any part of the island.

What is a given is the fact that Turkey can't reinforce its military on the island quickly enough. You look at the means they have to deploy its troops and you will see for yourself.

Look at their LST, LCU and LCM - most are Vietnam War vintage too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... val_Forces

There is only so much a Galaxy can carry also, and they will have nowhere to land so that means they need to Air Drop airborne infantry units (finite resource in itself).

Even all the main highways will be destroyed, especially long straight stretches. Those parts that are actually runways in the South will be taken care of too, by the Turks.

Nothing is too easy or as simple as you seem to think.

[Atheist]

I disagree with pretty much everything that you said but there is no reason to keep repeating myself.

[Paphitis]

I disagree with pretty much everything that you said but there is no reason to keep repeating myself.

Just out of interest, have you done your National Service?

There is not much we can do if you disagree. However, a military is an integral part of a sovereign country, even those that do not run the risk of invasion let alone being occupied. In Cyprus' case, the CNG is EXTREMELY important and vital, and their capability is not something even the best Military minds in Turkey will scoff at.

In Syria and Iraq, there are 250 Billion worth of the most advance Air Power on the planet bombarding DAESH, and even our military minds know that this is NOT enough to defeat 50,000 or so rebels driving a few pick up trucks. Go figure hey!

They are not even a country yet, spend about 200 million on arms per annum where as the collective budgets of the US and its allies in the coalition is over a Trillion.

To be defeated, we have to rely on poorly equipped and trained ISF and Peshmerga because we won't commit our own troops yet. If we had our troops in Iraq and Syria, it would have been game over by now for DAESH.

In Ukraine, the Government there is facing the military might of Russia and even then, with that balance of power favouring the Russians, the Ukrainian Security Forces are starting to get on top of them in most parts other than Crimea which has been annexed.

[Atheist]

I served in the army and I still serve as a reserve. That is how I know their sorry state.

Do not confuse Cyprus with DAESH. DAESH is 50.000 brainwashed fanatical murderers. The Cyprus army is 10.000 teenagers who serve because they are obligated to, and aging reservists many of whom are totally unfit. When Turkey invaded Cyprus most Cypriots were running to save themselves. We are not DAESH or the Taliban.

The case of Ukraine is similar to the one of Cyprus (even though Ukraine is just 4 times smaller than Russia, not 100 times smaller as is the case between Turkey vs Cyprus). Russia took what it wanted very easily (Crimea). In the rest of Ukraine Russia is not involved directly. If Russia were to invade east Ukraine directly at full force they would have occupied east Ukraine in a matter of a few days. I also remind you the case of South Ossetia a few years ago. The Georgians did what they did hoping for support from the Americans. That support didn't came, and the Georgians didn't have even 1 in a trillion chance against the Russian army which destroyed them in a week.

[Paphitis]

I served in the army and I still serve as a reserve. That is how I know their sorry state.

The sorry state is probably because young Cypriot kids are little prima donnas and the apple of their father's and mother's eye so much so that they actually ask them if they want to serve near family and they even allow home cooked meals on the base as well as family visits.

Now that is all well and good, but just imagine what this does to morale when a less fortunate kid in your unit comes from a less functional family environment or has no family.

It's also the fault of the Officers who allow this type of behavior and carry on. In reality, there should be no girlfriends, no mobile phones, no newspapers, no TV and you get to eat the slops you're served. Everyone equal. Your family is your unit.

And when the Officers or the Drill Sergeant treats you like shit, you say THANK YOU!

There should be Drill every day, and physical conditioning of every little kid until they are puking their guts out and with no mum or dad to whinge to. And when someone pukes their guts out, the others can carry him. Sleep deprivation, early morning swims in freezing cold water just to remind them they are alive. Should be done everyday, minus the sleep deprivation which should just be for a week at a time.

I guarantee you this is what they do in the Turkish Army. The Australian Army does this to spoilt little Aussie boys to, even the girls.

Do not confuse Cyprus with DAESH. DAESH is 50.000 brainwashed fanatical murderers. The Cyprus army is 10.000 teenagers who serve because they are obligated to, and aging reservists many of whom are totally unfit. When Turkey invaded Cyprus most Cypriots were running to save themselves. We are not DAESH or the Taliban.

Many of the DAESH cutthroats are actually teenagers, but probably no prima donna Cypriot boys unfortunately.

The case of Ukraine is similar to the one of Cyprus (even though Ukraine is just 4 times smaller than Russia, not 100 times smaller as is the case between Turkey vs Cyprus). Russia took what it wanted very easily (Crimea). In the rest of Ukraine Russia is not involved directly. If Russia were to invade east Ukraine directly at full force they would have occupied east Ukraine in a matter of a few days. I also remind you the case of South Ossetia a few years ago. The Georgians did what they did hoping for support from the Americans. That support didn't came, and the Georgians didn't have even 1 in a trillion chance against the Russian army which destroyed them in a week.

Russia is actually having a tough time of it now. Neither Georgia or Ukraine are important enough for America to start a war with Russia I am afraid. The might of Russia poses too much of a risk and a deterrent from such a thing occurring.

[B25]

I disagree with pretty much everything that you said but there is no reason to keep repeating myself.

The way you put it we may as well just go and kill ourselves to save Turkey the hasslle FFS.

Hade man the Fuck up, if you want to bend over with your trousers down ready to receive a Turkish soujouk then do so, but pleaseeeeee, don't expect the rest of us to do the same. We are 'Axoi' to stand and fight even in the face of defeat, we will do what we can.

The CNG should be reinforced by taxing other areas, especially Athiest who talk shit, little fucking cowards that want to surrender before Turkey even says Boo!

Tax the crossing points, tax the TC taxis that come to Larnaca, Tax the carpet baggers that come to Larnaca/Paphos then go over, look for other areas to tax to raise further funds for the CNG. Long Live the CNG.

[miltiades]

Cyprus needs the National Guard AT ALL COSTS.

Nobody can seriously suggest that the CNG can single handedly take on the Turkish army, that is why we must forge closer alliances with powerful nations such as the USA and Israel.

The unrest in the ME will not go away, America would be more than happy to have bases in Cyprus and so would Israel.

As for the comments made regarding the NG, talking from personal experience, my son in law is a regular for fore than 15 years, I have met many other regulars from his unit and I was very impressed with them all. His unit is well known by all in Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

Cyprus needs the National Guard AT ALL COSTS.

Nobody can seriously suggest that the CNG can single handedly take on the Turkish army, that is why we must forge closer alliances with powerful nations such as the USA and Israel.

The unrest in the ME will not go away, America would be more than happy to have bases in Cyprus and so would Israel.

As for the comments made regarding the NG, talking from personal experience, my son in law is a regular for fore than 15 years, I have met many other regulars from his unit and I was very impressed with them all. His unit is well known by all in Cyprus.

I have suggested that the CNG can give a good account of itself and take on Turkey. I firmly believe this and stand by this 100%. But I believe that the ADF can take on the might of Russia. Do you think I am insane? It's been proven time and time again even today. Little David has defeated Goliath many times.

You keep this defeatist crap to yourself and stop writing such nonsense!

Any Officer who disagrees with this should retire at once, including your son in law.

If you do not believe then you may very well lose. The soldiers have to believe in the CNGs leadership who must lead by example otherwise forget it. Just forget it!

[miltiades]

Cyprus needs the National Guard AT ALL COSTS.

Nobody can seriously suggest that the CNG can single handedly take on the Turkish army, that is why we must forge closer alliances with powerful nations such as the USA and Israel.

The unrest in the ME will not go away, America would be more than happy to have bases in Cyprus and so would Israel.

As for the comments made regarding the NG, talking from personal experience, my son in law is a regular for fore than 15 years, I have met many other regulars from his unit and I was very impressed with them all. His unit is well known by all in Cyprus.

I have suggested that the CNG can give a good account of itself and take on Turkey. I firmly believe this and stand by this 100%. But I believe that the ADF can take on the might of Russia. Do you think I am insane? It's been proven time and time again even today. Little David has defeated Goliath many times.

You keep this defeatist crap to yourself and stop writing such nonsense!

Any Officer who disagrees with this should retire at once, including your son in law.

I think we had this discussion a few years back. The ADF is not the CNG, you should know this.

Turkey has a masive military machine and although it may suffer heavy casulties it can not be defeated by a tiny nation such as Cyprus. Be realistic now, by our selves we can not win, we need powerful allies.