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[Atheist]

Get Real, what I said is that the creation of our universe is explained to a great degree , not that everything is explained. Furthermore, understanding something and recreating it are two different things. We understand that earth is a planet that orbits around a star, but that doesn't mean we can recreate a planetary system on earth.

For the things that are not yet known, scientists can have theories, which are not random speculation but based on at least some scientific data. They will never claim that those things are necessarily the "truth" unless they are certain about them. Contrast that approach with the approach of religion, where they declare that they have the truth for everything without any basis. This is why science has proven religion wrong in countless occasions.

Nonsense! Had God needed a creator then we would end up with an infinite loop of creators!

That is exactly what happens if you say that everything that exists needs a creator. So that kind of logic needs to be abandoned. When you accept that something can exist without a creator then you don't need anything "higher" to give birth to our universe. You add God in there just because you want to, not because there is a logic that requires it.

What we *can* surmise though is that some force made it happen… and it’s that very force that we label as “God”!

Most people don't think of "God" as just some force that set of the initial "bang". Most people associate God with having human like emotions: Loving, caring, just, being able to see and listen, to communicate with us etc. And then they also believe that this "God" has all sorts of other powers for anything that we can imagine.

Gravity is a "force". If you keep something and you let it go that thing will move on its own and hit the ground due to the gravity force. Gravity keeps us on the ground, it keeps the moon around earth, makes the planets orbit around our sun, is what keeps our galaxy and all other galaxies together. And yet Gravity is no God. Not even a little one. It doesn't have any supernatural powers, it doesn't have feelings it is a "just" a force.

So even if we accept your unproven theory that some force was required to get things going, it still wouldn't make that force a God. It would be just a force.

[Get Real!]

Sorry, but the onus of proof falls on you because you're making all the assumptions here!

You're not exempt from it like you seem to think.

Not a single assumption was made!

I explained PERFECTLY (1) how we know that there is a God and I also explained PERFECTLY of (2) why God couldn’t have possibly been manufactured.

And your chances of countering my PERFECT explanations that are based on harnessed common sense, are ZERO!

My common sense and determination has resulted in me saving my own life (and others) on a couple of occasions. I doubt your computer IT skills are so "high stake". So if someone should be religious, it should probably me considering what I have seen and experienced in my life. The reality is I should not be alive today probably (and in a cold watery grave to boot). And don't get me wrong because I doubt you have EVER been more scared than me.

I honestly can’t imagine you digging into 20,000 lines of source code and making any sense out of it.

[tsukoui]

My common sense and determination has resulted in me saving my own life (and others) on a couple of occasions. I doubt your computer IT skills are so "high stake". So if someone should be religious, it should probably me considering what I have seen and experienced in my life. The reality is I should not be alive today probably (and in a cold watery grave to boot). And don't get me wrong because I doubt you have EVER been more scared than me.

I honestly can’t imagine you digging into 20,000 lines of source code and making any sense out of it.

Now now girls, I gave up hacking as a mugs game, the penalties for getting caught are too high.

But my friend stuck at it and now works for a protection racket maskarading as a sexurity company. Basically they work out a new way to break a system and then charge other companies a fortune to protect them from it

The truth is they're (the U.S.) just laughing at us. Have you ever tried to hack Arsenal? In the early days, before he went legit, my friend did, and told them about the flaw, their response was not very nice. Meanwhile his teacher (not me) turned out to have Asperger's syndrome, and that was the only thing stopping him from going to Guantanamo

[Get Real!]

Get Real, what I said is that the creation of our universe is explained to a great degree , not that everything is explained. Furthermore, understanding something and recreating it are two different things. We understand that earth is a planet that orbits around a star, but that doesn't mean we can recreate a planetary system on earth.

For the things that are not yet known, scientists can have theories, which are not random speculation but based on at least some scientific data. They will never claim that those things are necessarily the "truth" unless they are certain about them. Contrast that approach with the approach of religion, where they declare that they have the truth for everything without any basis. This is why science has proven religion wrong in countless occasions.

Look, don’t come and tell me that scientists have figured out how the universe was created or even something as stupid as “a portion of it”!!!

It’s all GARBAGE speculation based on primitive Earthly science that is totally irrelevant and invalid to the universe.

You need to understand Man’s SEVERE limitations for we are nothing but temporary MORTALS with very limited intellects so stop putting so much faith in Man’s fallacies.

Idiots like Stephen Hawking can’t even solve his shitty little primitive disease and you expect him to explain the universe to you?

Please wake up!

That is exactly what happens if you say that everything that exists needs a creator. So that kind of logic needs to be abandoned. When you accept that something can exist without a creator then you don't need anything "higher" to give birth to our universe. You add God in there just because you want to, not because there is a logic that requires it.

The universe is bound by TIME and we know that because it’s contents are subject to BIRTH and DEATH (planets, stars, galaxies, etc) so it’s not IMMORTAL and definitely needed a creator. Only God is IMMORTAL.

[tsukoui]

Get Real, what I said is that the creation of our universe is explained to a great degree , not that everything is explained. Furthermore, understanding something and recreating it are two different things. We understand that earth is a planet that orbits around a star, but that doesn't mean we can recreate a planetary system on earth.

For the things that are not yet known, scientists can have theories, which are not random speculation but based on at least some scientific data. They will never claim that those things are necessarily the "truth" unless they are certain about them. Contrast that approach with the approach of religion, where they declare that they have the truth for everything without any basis. This is why science has proven religion wrong in countless occasions.

Look, don’t come and tell me that scientists have figured out how the universe was created or even something as stupid as “a portion of it”!!!

It’s all GARBAGE speculation based on primitive Earthly science that is totally irrelevant and invalid to the universe.

You need to understand Man’s SEVERE limitations for we are nothing but temporary MORTALS with very limited intellects so stop putting so much faith in Man’s fallacies.

Idiots like Stephen Hawking can’t even solve his shitty little primitive disease and you expect him to explain the universe to you?

Please wake up!

That is exactly what happens if you say that everything that exists needs a creator. So that kind of logic needs to be abandoned. When you accept that something can exist without a creator then you don't need anything "higher" to give birth to our universe. You add God in there just because you want to, not because there is a logic that requires it.

The universe is bound by TIME and we know that because it’s contents are subject to BIRTH and DEATH (planets, stars, galaxies, etc) so it’s not IMMORTAL and definitely needed a creator. Only God is IMMORTAL.

Here, here!

I went mad studying Gödel's theorem, where he proved logically that logic is limited. Above classical logic is dialectical logic where I generally reside, but every now and then I catch a glimpse of something higher still, and even more rarely is it beautiful

[Paphitis]

Sorry, but the onus of proof falls on you because you're making all the assumptions here!

You're not exempt from it like you seem to think.

Not a single assumption was made!

I explained PERFECTLY (1) how we know that there is a God and I also explained PERFECTLY of (2) why God couldn’t have possibly been manufactured.

And your chances of countering my PERFECT explanations that are based on harnessed common sense, are ZERO!

My common sense and determination has resulted in me saving my own life (and others) on a couple of occasions. I doubt your computer IT skills are so "high stake". So if someone should be religious, it should probably me considering what I have seen and experienced in my life. The reality is I should not be alive today probably (and in a cold watery grave to boot). And don't get me wrong because I doubt you have EVER been more scared than me.

I honestly can’t imagine you digging into 20,000 lines of source code and making any sense out of it.

Yes you are making the wildest of assumptions here.

Usually, Atheists are the most unassuming people around, by definition.

[Paphitis]

My common sense and determination has resulted in me saving my own life (and others) on a couple of occasions. I doubt your computer IT skills are so "high stake". So if someone should be religious, it should probably me considering what I have seen and experienced in my life. The reality is I should not be alive today probably (and in a cold watery grave to boot). And don't get me wrong because I doubt you have EVER been more scared than me.

I honestly can’t imagine you digging into 20,000 lines of source code and making any sense out of it.

Now now girls, I gave up hacking as a mugs game, the penalties for getting caught are too high.

But my friend stuck at it and now works for a protection racket maskarading as a sexurity company. Basically they work out a new way to break a system and then charge other companies a fortune to protect them from it

The truth is they're (the U.S.) just laughing at us. Have you ever tried to hack Arsenal? In the early days, before he went legit, my friend did, and told them about the flaw, their response was not very nice. Meanwhile his teacher (not me) turned out to have Asperger's syndrome, and that was the only thing stopping him from going to Guantanamo

What the hell are you talking about?

Hackers don't go to Guantanamo!

[Paphitis]

Get Real, what I said is that the creation of our universe is explained to a great degree , not that everything is explained. Furthermore, understanding something and recreating it are two different things. We understand that earth is a planet that orbits around a star, but that doesn't mean we can recreate a planetary system on earth.

For the things that are not yet known, scientists can have theories, which are not random speculation but based on at least some scientific data. They will never claim that those things are necessarily the "truth" unless they are certain about them. Contrast that approach with the approach of religion, where they declare that they have the truth for everything without any basis. This is why science has proven religion wrong in countless occasions.

Look, don’t come and tell me that scientists have figured out how the universe was created or even something as stupid as “a portion of it”!!!

It’s all GARBAGE speculation based on primitive Earthly science that is totally irrelevant and invalid to the universe.

You need to understand Man’s SEVERE limitations for we are nothing but temporary MORTALS with very limited intellects so stop putting so much faith in Man’s fallacies.

Idiots like Stephen Hawking can’t even solve his shitty little primitive disease and you expect him to explain the universe to you?

Please wake up!

That is exactly what happens if you say that everything that exists needs a creator. So that kind of logic needs to be abandoned. When you accept that something can exist without a creator then you don't need anything "higher" to give birth to our universe. You add God in there just because you want to, not because there is a logic that requires it.

The universe is bound by TIME and we know that because it’s contents are subject to BIRTH and DEATH (planets, stars, galaxies, etc) so it’s not IMMORTAL and definitely needed a creator. Only God is IMMORTAL.

You're the guys telling the scientists you know how the universe was created without any evidence.

Scientists have a job to do to unlock the mysteries of the universe and have gone a lot further than religion.

[Get Real!]

I went mad studying Gödel's theorem, where he proved logically that logic is limited. Above classical logic is dialectical logic where I generally reside, but every now and then I catch a glimpse of something higher still, and even more rarely is it beautiful

People just don’t seem to realize or refuse to acknowledge, how useless and incompetent humans are!

1. They’ll be lucky to live 80 odd years. <- What a bloody laugh!
2. It takes them a good 20 years before they can even start putting intelligent thoughts together. <- What a pitifully slow learning curve!
3. They rely on just 0.00001% of the total population to explain things to them! <- Because the remaining 99.9999% are as intelligent as wombats!
4. They are unreliable, fallacious, selfish, cruel and criminal. <- All the wrong credentials to figure out heavenly matters!

The list of our shortcomings just goes on and on... yet they assume that they can figure out the universe!

[Atheist]

Get Real, what I said is that the creation of our universe is explained to a great degree , not that everything is explained. Furthermore, understanding something and recreating it are two different things. We understand that earth is a planet that orbits around a star, but that doesn't mean we can recreate a planetary system on earth.

For the things that are not yet known, scientists can have theories, which are not random speculation but based on at least some scientific data. They will never claim that those things are necessarily the "truth" unless they are certain about them. Contrast that approach with the approach of religion, where they declare that they have the truth for everything without any basis. This is why science has proven religion wrong in countless occasions.

Look, don’t come and tell me that scientists have figured out how the universe was created or even something as stupid as “a portion of it”!!!

It’s all GARBAGE speculation based on primitive Earthly science that is totally irrelevant and invalid to the universe.

You need to understand Man’s SEVERE limitations for we are nothing but temporary MORTALS with very limited intellects so stop putting so much faith in Man’s fallacies.

Idiots like Stephen Hawking can’t even solve his shitty little primitive disease and you expect him to explain the universe to you?

Please wake up!

And who is in better position to explain the universe if not science? You? Some priest?

Don't tell me "God" because so far everything that supposedly came from "God" has been disproven on multiple levels and did not offer to us any additional knowledge about the universe. Everything we know came through science.

I would have accepted your argument if you claimed that no human can ever have a complete answer about the universe. But then you claim that you have the answer, as if you and those who share your beliefs are not bound by "Man's severe limitations" which makes your argument invalid, and a bit funny because actually your limitations are several magnitudes more severe than the limitations of great scientists such as Stephen Hawking.