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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby Atheist » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:31 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
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bill cobbett wrote:Situation here in GB...

Any government or council form you fill in also asks questions on ethnicity. You aren't obliged to fill in this ethnicity section.

The choices include ticking either the "gc" or the "tc" option, with no just CY option. So that section goes unanswered.

As to religion, the section usually does contain a simple atheist option.


The issue here is not so much about what options they gave but that an option that was not available during the census interview showed up in the results.


Do you have a copy of this so-called census which you filled in?


They do not give you anything to fill in. It is an interview. They ask questions and you answer. Apparently those who made the interviews didn't even ask all the questions. My parents for example were not even asked what their religion was. Knowing this I specifically asked for this option when I was interviewed a few days later and I was told that the option for "atheist" or "no religion" did not exist. You either had to choose one of the religions listed or "other", which in this case would be totally inaccurate. But as I explained that is only half the issue. The other half, and even bigger issue, is that an "Atheist/No-religion" option showed up in the results.
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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:51 pm

Atheist file... what about some other questions.

Was there one for sexual preferences ...???

... if so, was there an assumption that all are hetero..???
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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby Atheist » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:54 pm

If there is a God, I think most Atheists will be fine.


Define "God". For anybody to be "fine" what would be required is not merely some "higher power" or "Creator" but that this entity would also be able and willing to offer something to humans. Gods as imagined by humans are conveniently servants of humanity, offering to people help during their time in the physical world and eternal life to their "souls". But even in the highly unlikely case that a "God" exists, the chances that "he/she/it" would give a fuck about you and your beliefs is yet another level of wishful thinking and nothing more.
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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:55 pm

Atheist wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
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bill cobbett wrote:Situation here in GB...

Any government or council form you fill in also asks questions on ethnicity. You aren't obliged to fill in this ethnicity section.

The choices include ticking either the "gc" or the "tc" option, with no just CY option. So that section goes unanswered.

As to religion, the section usually does contain a simple atheist option.


The issue here is not so much about what options they gave but that an option that was not available during the census interview showed up in the results.


Do you have a copy of this so-called census which you filled in?


They do not give you anything to fill in. It is an interview. They ask questions and you answer. Apparently those who made the interviews didn't even ask all the questions. My parents for example were not even asked what their religion was. Knowing this I specifically asked for this option when I was interviewed a few days later and I was told that the option for "atheist" or "no religion" did not exist. You either had to choose one of the religions listed or "other", which in this case would be totally inaccurate. But as I explained that is only half the issue. The other half, and even bigger issue, is that an "Atheist/No-religion" option showed up in the results.


It's very easy to forget or project your own prejudices. Without written evidence, you are being sensitive about this. :P
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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby Cap » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:58 pm

Here's the Cyprus  'C E N S U S  O F  P O P U L A T I O N  2011' questionnaire:

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/ ... 2011en.pdf
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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby Atheist » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:00 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Atheist file... what about some other questions.

Was there one for sexual preferences ...???

... if so, was there an assumption that all are hetero..???


I don't remember and I don't see anything in the results about this. My guess is that sexual preference was not something recorded by the census. But please understand the difference between not recording something and faking it. I would have no problem if religion was not recorded at all in the census. If it was recorded, and "atheist/no religion" was not an option then this would be an issue. Faking the results to add an "Atheist/no-religion" option even though no such option was given during the interview is an even greater issue. This is an outright faking of results, not merely ignoring categories or options.
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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:03 pm

Cap wrote:Here's the Cyprus  'C E N S U S  O F  P O P U L A T I O N  2011' questionnaire:

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/ ... 2011en.pdf


Good boy! :D

It says: "Other, Specify"

So that's where they have the specified number of "Atheists" from and the OP is looking sillier and sillier. :P
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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby Atheist » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:05 pm

Cap wrote:Here's the Cyprus  'C E N S U S  O F  P O P U L A T I O N  2011' questionnaire:

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/ ... 2011en.pdf


Thank you Cap. I've never seen this myself since the interviewer was asking the questions, but as you can all see there was no "atheist" or "no religion" option.
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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby Atheist » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:09 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Cap wrote:Here's the Cyprus  'C E N S U S  O F  P O P U L A T I O N  2011' questionnaire:

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/ ... 2011en.pdf


Good boy! :D

It says: "Other, Specify"

So that's where they have the specified number of "Atheists" from and the OP is looking sillier and sillier. :P


You just made a fool of yourself and now you are grasping at straws ;) "Atheism" is not an "other" religion.
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Re: Fake Cyprus census results

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:17 pm

I don’t recall an interview of any kind… just some youngster who sat in front of a laptop and asked 5-6 questions and filled out the rest of the blanks without asking anything. :?
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