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[Paphitis]

Here is another interesting fact.

Another 4 European Airlines within the EU have received multiple Government subsidies from the Government all within 10 years.

Cyprus Airways was the only airline to receive a negative EU verdict and be deemed illegal.

Can I ask why Cyprus was singled out?

And why has the Government not been honest enough to reveal this to the people?

One of the airlines was Alitalia. See who can find out the other 3.

boy you need to learn to pay attention. alitalia did not receive a penny from the state. they got their investment from the post office. the fact that they are nationalised has nothing to do with it. nationalised industries are allowed to make commercial investments not aid like cyair got. i remember assholes here laughing their heads of about the tc arline going bust. well he who laughs last laughs the loudest/

You need to stop butting in over matters you know nothing about.

Alitalia had received 4.9 billion in State Aid from 1998 and onwards and were even subject to the same EU scrutiny. 3 more state owned airlines also received aid.

[Kikapu]

Here is another interesting fact.

Another 4 European Airlines within the EU have received multiple Government subsidies from the Government all within 10 years.

Cyprus Airways was the only airline to receive a negative EU verdict and be deemed illegal.

Can I ask why Cyprus was singled out?

And why has the Government not been honest enough to reveal this to the people?

One of the airlines was Alitalia. See who can find out the other 3.

boy you need to learn to pay attention. alitalia did not receive a penny from the state. they got their investment from the post office. the fact that they are nationalised has nothing to do with it. nationalised industries are allowed to make commercial investments not aid like cyair got. i remember assholes here laughing their heads of about the tc arline going bust. well he who laughs last laughs the loudest/

You need to stop butting in over matters you know nothing about.

Alitalia had received 4.9 billion in State Aid from 1998 and onwards and were even subject to the same EU scrutiny. 3 more state owned airlines also received aid.

The "blessing in disguise" with large airlines like Alitalia which employs 10s of thousands of people is, that it is cheaper for the state to pay to keep them in business and people employed than giving them unemployment checks every months. Cyprus Airways was way too small to have the same consideration given to them I'm afraid.

[Paphitis]

Here is another interesting fact.

Another 4 European Airlines within the EU have received multiple Government subsidies from the Government all within 10 years.

Cyprus Airways was the only airline to receive a negative EU verdict and be deemed illegal.

Can I ask why Cyprus was singled out?

And why has the Government not been honest enough to reveal this to the people?

One of the airlines was Alitalia. See who can find out the other 3.

boy you need to learn to pay attention. alitalia did not receive a penny from the state. they got their investment from the post office. the fact that they are nationalised has nothing to do with it. nationalised industries are allowed to make commercial investments not aid like cyair got. i remember assholes here laughing their heads of about the tc arline going bust. well he who laughs last laughs the loudest/

You need to stop butting in over matters you know nothing about.

Alitalia had received 4.9 billion in State Aid from 1998 and onwards and were even subject to the same EU scrutiny. 3 more state owned airlines also received aid.

The "blessing in disguise" with large airlines like Alitalia which employs 10s of thousands of people is, that it is cheaper for the state to pay to keep them in business and people employed than giving them unemployment checks every months. Cyprus Airways was way too small to have the same consideration given to them I'm afraid.

Kikapu,

This was a politically motivated shut down.

They did it to destroy PEO (Union). The idea is that they are going to open a new private company but the Flight Crew will need to renegotiate with a new EBA and probably significantly reduced salaries.

A Cyprus Airways Captain was on 12000 per month under the old contract. Those on the new contract are on 8000 per month which really is not much.

Unfortunately for them, the mass exodus has already begun. I know one who flew to Abu Dhabi the very next day and dozens more are preparing to move their families in the coming weeks to Middle Eastern countries predominately, some to the UK, and one to Australia that I know of.

QATAR, Etihad, Emirates, Al Mahah and Saudi Air are to pick up the slack.

Pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

[kurupetos]

Of course 8000 euro is not much. It's only 12(x)minimum wage, and 7(x)average wage.

[Paphitis]

Of course 8000 euro is not much. It's only 12(x)minimum wage, and 7(x)average wage.

You go and find Pilots on minimum wage.

It's one of the lower paying airlines in the world. It's not the wages of the Pilots, Engineers and Cabin Crew that destroyed the airline. These people had a right to be at CA because they are qualified. Now be realistic. Captains at other airlines are earning between 20,000 and 30,000 euros per month. The highest paid Captains are earning 800,000 euros per annum. The old EBA at Cathay Pacific is 1,000,000 USD per annum.

The 12,000 per month is on the very minimum side. That's what most LCC pay their Captains. Any lower then that and you begin to get into dangerous territory with inexperienced unwanted pilots.

It's some of the others who were not qualified and just offered cushy jobs for no particular good reason other than cronyism. And there were far too many. Even the 550 employees for 5 aircraft were far too much when there should only be 250 to 300. At one stage there were 2500 for 12 aircraft.

[Kikapu]

The old Swissair captains were making a lot of money also for flying 2-3 times a month, but in the end, it could not be sustained. I'm sure the salaries at Swiss now for the captains and first officers are in parity with Lufthansa.
About 5 years ago, an American Airlines pilot of mine was showing me the monthly bidding for work online, where a AA captain flying 7 days a month was going to make about $13,000 USD based on that monthly flying schedule. That could have been just the base pay plus whatever premium was added based on how senior the captain was. This was after the pilots union gave wage concessions to the company after 9/11, but then came the bankruptcy protection and reorganisation in 2011 which meant pilots salaries were re-negotiated, to less than before no doubt, and then came the merger with US Airways. Now, most of the AA pilots are due for a 23% pay increase if they vote on a new contract as we speak. Even with the new pay increase, I don't think the pay will be any higher than what it was 5 years ago for most pilots.

What captains earned in the yesteryears as to what they make today is totally different. Yes they do make a good living still in comparison to most, but most pilots are not getting rich as others do in financial, business and Medical institutions for example, for the same level of education and responsibility.

[Paphitis]

The old Swissair captains were making a lot of money also for flying 2-3 times a month, but in the end, it could not be sustained. I'm sure the salaries at Swiss now for the captains and first officers are in parity with Lufthansa.
About 5 years ago, an American Airlines pilot of mine was showing me the monthly bidding for work online, where a AA captain flying 7 days a month was going to make about $13,000 USD based on that monthly flying schedule. That could have been just the base pay plus whatever premium was added based on how senior the captain was. This was after the pilots union gave wage concessions to the company after 9/11, but then came the bankruptcy protection and reorganisation in 2011 which meant pilots salaries were re-negotiated, to less than before no doubt, and then came the merger with US Airways. Now, most of the AA pilots are due for a 23% pay increase if they vote on a new contract as we speak. Even with the new pay increase, I don't think the pay will be any higher than what it was 5 years ago for most pilots.

What captains earned in the yesteryears as to what they make today is totally different. Yes they do make a good living still in comparison to most, but most pilots are not getting rich as others do in financial, business and Medical institutions for example, for the same level of education and responsibility.

Conditions are not that great in America, but still better than they were at CA at least in the American Majors.

Lufthansa would be right up there Kikapu. Can't imagine them being under 20k per month.

The absolute minimum for a small company (so it can attract decent crews) would be around 8k per month. Can't imagine anything lower than that.

All this is a smoke screen to blame the pilots. But we all know who is at fault and it is not the Flight Crew.

Another thing Kikapu, most pilots are doing about 100 hours of flying per month. A bit under that actually - between 70 and 90.

[supporttheunderdog]

Here is another interesting fact.

Another 4 European Airlines within the EU have received multiple Government subsidies from the Government all within 10 years.

Cyprus Airways was the only airline to receive a negative EU verdict and be deemed illegal.

Can I ask why Cyprus was singled out?

And why has the Government not been honest enough to reveal this to the people?

One of the airlines was Alitalia. See who can find out the other 3.

Malev got took down.

[Paphitis]

All I can say to my CA friends is that CAE Parc is your friend.

That is where the Ferry Pilots came from.

No reason for these guys not to be flying within a month.

[kurupetos]

All I can say to my CA friends is that CAE Parc is your friend.

That is where the Ferry Pilots came from.

No reason for these guys not to be flying within a month.

I don't care because I won't have to pay them.