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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:12 pm

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After gunmen in Paris killed 12 people, Saudi Arabia's top body of Muslim clerics quickly condemned the attack and said it could have no acceptable justification. It was a signal from some of the Islamic world's strictest voices that cartoons lampooning the Prophet Muhammad in the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo were not a reason to kill the artists.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/violence-fuel ... tml#EiBxTV


They need to stop giving mixed messages to their Islamic youth, then. Distancing themselves after such events is cowardly.


It's not the Imams giving mixed messages or interpretations of Islamic Law.

They are very absolute about their condemnation of the murders and make it well known that these actions have no place under Islam.

It's the small radicalized elements who peddle the misinformation and other radical groups such as DAESH and their affiliates.
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:16 pm

Paphitis wrote:... the small radicalized elements who peddle the misinformation and other radical groups such as DAESH and their affiliates.


Anybody we know?
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:30 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:... the small radicalized elements who peddle the misinformation and other radical groups such as DAESH and their affiliates.


Anybody we know?


It appears that there are 1 or 2 on this forum.
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:39 pm

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GreekIslandGirl wrote:Maybe now you get it! The real martyrs are the cartoonists - those who stand by continuing to practice freedom of speech. It's tough; it looks stupid, but it's the only way to be human.

Look, I’m tired of uneducated fools playing the “freedom of speech” card because that’s NOT the case!

There are (1) Blasphemy laws, (2) Hate Speech laws, and (3) Freedom of Speech Restrictions to which I have posted links but some of you are obviously refusing to read so this is getting very tiring!

READ THEM and quit posting bollocks!


You keep ignoring my comments about this. If you respect French law, then Charlie Hebdo was prosecuted and found in the French courts do be doing nothing that breaks French law. Satire is not hate speech. You either respect French law or you don't - if you don't, this is your prerogative, but you then lose the right to harp on about it.

The French authorities had been foolishly turning a blind eye to their laws because Charlie was being sued by Muslims but later when the Jews sued them the two-faced French government swiftly introduced the anti-Semitic law!

That’s how openly racist and disgusting the West has gotten!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -jibe.html
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:46 pm

Tim, I think you're angry not because you give a shit about the lives of the 12 but because you hate the fact that such an insulting source (to God and thus theists) has been seriously impaired by this attack.

You hate the fact that in future this publisher will think twice before being so blatantly rude to us theists and that’s what eats you inside because you hate us!

I’ll bet you absolutely loved when you first discovered how insulting this Charlie crew was towards us and I’ll bet you wish you knew them before!

I realized this after seeing how you keep pushing the “imaginary God” in my face in the hope that I’ll take your bait, but I don’t consider you a challenge in this topic and I honestly don’t think you can last two rounds with me in this department.

Sorry…

And remember… atheists are just evolving theists who are a bit slower! :lol:
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:53 pm

Get Real! wrote:Tim, I think you're angry not because you give a shit about the lives of the 12 but because you hate the fact that such an insulting source (to God and thus theists) has been seriously impaired by this attack.

You hate the fact that in future this publisher will think twice before being so blatantly rude to us theists and that’s what eats you inside because you hate us!

I’ll bet you absolutely loved when you first discovered how insulting this Charlie crew was towards us and I’ll bet you wish you knew them before!

I realized this after seeing how you keep pushing the “imaginary God” in my face in the hope that I’ll take your bait, but I don’t consider you a challenge in this topic and I honestly don’t think you can last two rounds with me in this department.

Sorry…

And remember… atheists are just evolving theists who are a bit slower! :lol:


You're kidding right? Wow!
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:04 pm

All religions are Man’s attempts to get closer to God so they all mean well.

Christians and Muslims believe in the ONE universal God (monotheistic) and that’s one of the reasons why I have no animosity towards Muslims.

Religiously, we’re striving for the same thing. We are both trying to get closer to God albeit using different methodologies and some things we do better than them while other things they do better than us… but we both make plenty of mistakes along the way and we know that.

For me Muslims are BROTHERS not enemies; what Muhammad did or did not do in 600AD is not for me to analyze or judge 1500 years later! I respect him as much as I respect Jesus and wouldn’t have a problem praying together with a Muslim. It doesn’t worry me.
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:All religions are Man’s attempts to get closer to God so they all mean well.

Christians and Muslims believe in the ONE universal God (monotheistic) and that’s one of the reasons why I have no animosity towards Muslims.

Religiously, we’re striving for the same thing. We are both trying to get closer to God albeit using different methodologies and some things we do better than them while other things they do better than us… but we both make plenty of mistakes along the way and we know that.

For me Muslims are BROTHERS not enemies; what Muhammad did or did not do in 600AD is not for me to analyze or judge 1500 years later! I respect him as much as I respect Jesus and wouldn’t have a problem praying together with a Muslim. It doesn’t worry me.


It's called the God Delision!

In reality, you just want life everlasting!
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:09 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Maybe now you get it! The real martyrs are the cartoonists - those who stand by continuing to practice freedom of speech. It's tough; it looks stupid, but it's the only way to be human.

Look, I’m tired of uneducated fools playing the “freedom of speech” card because that’s NOT the case!

There are (1) Blasphemy laws, (2) Hate Speech laws, and (3) Freedom of Speech Restrictions to which I have posted links but some of you are obviously refusing to read so this is getting very tiring!

READ THEM and quit posting bollocks!


You keep ignoring my comments about this. If you respect French law, then Charlie Hebdo was prosecuted and found in the French courts do be doing nothing that breaks French law. Satire is not hate speech. You either respect French law or you don't - if you don't, this is your prerogative, but you then lose the right to harp on about it.

The French authorities had been foolishly turning a blind eye to their laws because Charlie was being sued by Muslims but later when the Jews sued them the two-faced French government swiftly introduced the anti-Semitic law!

That’s how openly racist and disgusting the West has gotten!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -jibe.html


Poor boy, wrong again. The following article (in French) shows that the organisation LICRA eventually dropped its charges against the Charlie Hebdo cartoonist Sinet:

http://www.jeanmarcmorandini.com/articl ... ateur.html

A victory for free speech.

Also, as this was a civil action, the 'French authorities' don't come into it.

Boy, you know nothing.
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:13 pm

Get Real! wrote:Tim, I think you're angry not because you give a shit about the lives of the 12 but because you hate the fact that such an insulting source (to God and thus theists) has been seriously impaired by this attack.

You hate the fact that in future this publisher will think twice before being so blatantly rude to us theists and that’s what eats you inside because you hate us!

I’ll bet you absolutely loved when you first discovered how insulting this Charlie crew was towards us and I’ll bet you wish you knew them before!

I realized this after seeing how you keep pushing the “imaginary God” in my face in the hope that I’ll take your bait, but I don’t consider you a challenge in this topic and I honestly don’t think you can last two rounds with me in this department.

Sorry…

And remember… atheists are just evolving theists who are a bit slower! :lol:


I. I totally condemn this outrageous murder.

2. I genuinely believe that religion is a curse on all humanity and look forward to the day when we are rid of it. I refuse to be gagged from saying this, or to see others so gagged. Others are equally free to proselytise in support of their religions.
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