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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:55 am

Get Real! wrote:
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Tim Drayton wrote:Great expert on the bible, are you, then.

Well, answer the question that I keep putting to you and you always ignore:

According to the bible, did God create the beasts before man, or man before the beasts?

You can never answer. To retain the boxing analogy (which you introduced), KO'd at the first punch.

:roll: Go back and check... and btw this better be good because your cockiness is bringing you very close to your downfall! :lol:

No, you haven't answered. It's very simple: either beasts first or man first.

I think you‘re intentionally pretending not to see that response because I destroyed your childish argument in ONE before you even begun! :roll:

Here you go AGAIN, from like 5 pages ago...

According to Genesis he first made fish, followed by birds, followed by mammals, and finally man …but I don’t see why the order is important to you! :?

If this order is inconsistent with another further down so what?

You think when you’ve got 100 authors working on a project that spans 1500 years there’s no room for errors?


Mate, you're just continuing to make a fool of yourself.

Never have I actually met someone with your worldview. It's so out there, illogical, that maybe they should dedicate your brain to medical science. :lol:
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:01 am

“Free Speech” hypocrisy in the aftermath of the attack on Charlie Hebdo

In the midst of this orgy of democratic hypocrisy, no reference is made to the fact that the American military, in the course of its wars in the Middle East, is responsible for the deaths of at least 15 journalists. In the on-going narrative of “Freedom of Speech Under Attack,” there is no place for any mention of the 2003 air-to-surface missile attack on the offices of Al Jazeera in Baghdad that left three journalists dead and four wounded.

Nor is anything being written or said about the July 2007 murder of two Reuters journalists working in Baghdad, staff photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and driver Saeed Chmagh. Both men were deliberately targeted by US Apache gunships while on assignment in East Baghdad.

The American and international public was first able to view a video of the cold-blooded murder of the two journalists as well as a group of Iraqis—taken from one of the gunships—as the result of WikiLeaks’ release of classified material that it had obtained from an American soldier, Corporal Bradley Chelsea Manning.

And how has the United States and Europe acted to protect WikiLeaks’ exercise of free speech? Julian Assange, the founder and publisher of WikiLeaks, has been subjected to relentless persecution. Leading political and media figures in the United States and Canada have denounced him as a “terrorist” and demanded his arrest, with some even calling publicly for his murder. Assange is being pursued on fraudulent “rape” allegations concocted by American and Swedish intelligence services. He has been compelled to seek sanctuary in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, which is under constant guard by British police who will seize Assange if he steps out of the embassy. As for Chelsea Manning, she is presently in prison, serving out a 35-year sentence for treason.

That is how the great capitalist “democracies” of North America and Europe have demonstrated their commitment to free speech and the safety of journalists!


http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/01 ... s-j09.html

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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:47 am

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Great expert on the bible, are you, then.

Well, answer the question that I keep putting to you and you always ignore:

According to the bible, did God create the beasts before man, or man before the beasts?

You can never answer. To retain the boxing analogy (which you introduced), KO'd at the first punch.

:roll: Go back and check... and btw this better be good because your cockiness is bringing you very close to your downfall! :lol:

No, you haven't answered. It's very simple: either beasts first or man first.

I think you‘re intentionally pretending not to see that response because I destroyed your childish argument in ONE before you even begun! :roll:

Here you go AGAIN, from like 5 pages ago...

According to Genesis he first made fish, followed by birds, followed by mammals, and finally man …but I don’t see why the order is important to you! :?

If this order is inconsistent with another further down so what?

You think when you’ve got 100 authors working on a project that spans 1500 years there’s no room for errors?


Wrong answer. According to Genesis 2:

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:50 am

Get Real! wrote:The biggest threat to French free speech isn’t terrorism. It’s the government.

Indeed, if the French want to memorialize those killed at Charlie Hebdo, they could start by rescinding their laws criminalizing speech that insults, defames or incites hatred, discrimination or violence on the basis of religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, disability, sex or sexual orientation. These laws have been used to harass the satirical newspaper and threaten its staff for years. Speech has been conditioned on being used “responsibly” in France, suggesting that it is more of a privilege than a right for those who hold controversial views.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... hpid=z2%20


You are a moron. You can't even understand that the above quote is in favour of free speech and calls for the laws that have been used to harass Charlie Hebdo in the past to be rescinded. Look up the word 'rescind' in a dictionary and get some education.
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:04 am

The western hypocrisy of 'free speech and free expression' ....................

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40663.htm

Insofar that Western governments support free speech, it is more often for expedient political advantage. It is not a universal ethic, as claimed. And, laughably, they are telling barefaced lies to claim otherwise, as they continually do.

A French satirical publication may have been allowed to denigrate Islam, but it would never be allowed to condemn Zionism and all its provable criminality. It is doubtful the magazine in question would print cartoons of Sarkozy, Obama or Cameron with explosives tied to their heads or dropping bombs on Libya. Even though the latter is not satire; it actually reflects the reality of criminal actions and events.

So, Western "free speech" is really just freedom for the powers-that-be to demean and demonize whomever the West requires for furthering its political interests. When free speech legitimately attacks Western interests, exposes hypocrisy and fraudulence, then it stops being a "universal principle." Censorship is then the ironclad order.
French comedian Dieudonné, for example, has been banned from public performances by the French government owing to his farcical arm gesture, known as the "Quenelle." The gesture can be interpreted in many ways, from a vulgar personal insult, to a derisory slur on the ruling class. The French authorities claim that the sign is "anti-Semitic" and a reverse Nazi salute. Dieudonné denies this and instead says the gesture is "anti-Zionist" and "anti-establishment."

The comedian has been banned from travelling to Britain by the London authorities, also as a result of his political parodies. His friend and professional footballer, Nicolas Anelka, was last year banned from playing soccer games in England and fined over $100,000 for signaling the Quenelle after scoring a goal.

Almost a year before the massacre at the Charlie Hebdo magazine this week in Paris, French President Francois Hollande gave notice that there would be zero-tolerance of Dieudonné or anyone else who practiced the Quenelle. "We will act… we will fight against the sarcasm of those who purport to be humorists but who are actually professional anti-Semites," said Hollande.


And here is another revealing touchstone. Why is Press TV banned from British terrestrial and satellite television broadcasting? Why is the Iran-based channel banned across Europe and North America? Where is Western free speech in that case? What is the problem?

Press TV is not tolerated. It is banished. Because the truth of Western state terrorism, as practiced by the likes of Sarkozy, Hollande, Obama and Cameron is too much to bear for how it might enlighten and empower public opinion. The truth of Western-sponsored state terrorism as practiced by the genocidal Israeli regime is too much to bear for public discourse; any criticism is shoved down the memory hole under the spurious pretext of "anti-Semitism." The fact that Western leaders should be prosecuted for war crimes is too much to bear. All such views, no matter how intellectually rigorous, morally scrupulous and legally substantiated, must be censored, and those who articulate them must be hounded into isolation.
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:06 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The biggest threat to French free speech isn’t terrorism. It’s the government.

Indeed, if the French want to memorialize those killed at Charlie Hebdo, they could start by rescinding their laws criminalizing speech that insults, defames or incites hatred, discrimination or violence on the basis of religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, disability, sex or sexual orientation. These laws have been used to harass the satirical newspaper and threaten its staff for years. Speech has been conditioned on being used “responsibly” in France, suggesting that it is more of a privilege than a right for those who hold controversial views.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... hpid=z2%20


You are a moron. You can't even understand that the above quote is in favour of free speech and calls for the laws that have been used to harass Charlie Hebdo in the past to be rescinded. Look up the word 'rescind' in a dictionary and get some education.

You are the one who didn’t understand it! :)

The article is HIGHLIGHTING all the terrible things you’d have to make legal if Charlie’s racist garbage is to be classified legal!

The article went right over your head! :lol:
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:11 am

Are you in support of discrimination on the basis of religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, disability, sex or sexual orientation?

If so, then you are WITH Charlie! :wink:

Because that’s what Charlie was doing for a living yet the French authorities turned a blind eye (selectively of course!) :wink:
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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:59 pm

Robin Hood wrote:The western hypocrisy of 'free speech and free expression' ....................

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40663.htm

Insofar that Western governments support free speech, it is more often for expedient political advantage. It is not a universal ethic, as claimed. And, laughably, they are telling barefaced lies to claim otherwise, as they continually do.

A French satirical publication may have been allowed to denigrate Islam, but it would never be allowed to condemn Zionism and all its provable criminality. It is doubtful the magazine in question would print cartoons of Sarkozy, Obama or Cameron with explosives tied to their heads or dropping bombs on Libya. Even though the latter is not satire; it actually reflects the reality of criminal actions and events.

So, Western "free speech" is really just freedom for the powers-that-be to demean and demonize whomever the West requires for furthering its political interests. When free speech legitimately attacks Western interests, exposes hypocrisy and fraudulence, then it stops being a "universal principle." Censorship is then the ironclad order.
French comedian Dieudonné, for example, has been banned from public performances by the French government owing to his farcical arm gesture, known as the "Quenelle." The gesture can be interpreted in many ways, from a vulgar personal insult, to a derisory slur on the ruling class. The French authorities claim that the sign is "anti-Semitic" and a reverse Nazi salute. Dieudonné denies this and instead says the gesture is "anti-Zionist" and "anti-establishment."

The comedian has been banned from travelling to Britain by the London authorities, also as a result of his political parodies. His friend and professional footballer, Nicolas Anelka, was last year banned from playing soccer games in England and fined over $100,000 for signaling the Quenelle after scoring a goal.

Almost a year before the massacre at the Charlie Hebdo magazine this week in Paris, French President Francois Hollande gave notice that there would be zero-tolerance of Dieudonné or anyone else who practiced the Quenelle. "We will act… we will fight against the sarcasm of those who purport to be humorists but who are actually professional anti-Semites," said Hollande.


And here is another revealing touchstone. Why is Press TV banned from British terrestrial and satellite television broadcasting? Why is the Iran-based channel banned across Europe and North America? Where is Western free speech in that case? What is the problem?

Press TV is not tolerated. It is banished. Because the truth of Western state terrorism, as practiced by the likes of Sarkozy, Hollande, Obama and Cameron is too much to bear for how it might enlighten and empower public opinion. The truth of Western-sponsored state terrorism as practiced by the genocidal Israeli regime is too much to bear for public discourse; any criticism is shoved down the memory hole under the spurious pretext of "anti-Semitism." The fact that Western leaders should be prosecuted for war crimes is too much to bear. All such views, no matter how intellectually rigorous, morally scrupulous and legally substantiated, must be censored, and those who articulate them must be hounded into isolation.


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Re: I am NOT Charlie Hebdo!

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:52 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The biggest threat to French free speech isn’t terrorism. It’s the government.

Indeed, if the French want to memorialize those killed at Charlie Hebdo, they could start by rescinding their laws criminalizing speech that insults, defames or incites hatred, discrimination or violence on the basis of religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, disability, sex or sexual orientation. These laws have been used to harass the satirical newspaper and threaten its staff for years. Speech has been conditioned on being used “responsibly” in France, suggesting that it is more of a privilege than a right for those who hold controversial views.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... hpid=z2%20


You are a moron. You can't even understand that the above quote is in favour of free speech and calls for the laws that have been used to harass Charlie Hebdo in the past to be rescinded. Look up the word 'rescind' in a dictionary and get some education.

You are the one who didn’t understand it! :)

The article is HIGHLIGHTING all the terrible things you’d have to make legal if Charlie’s racist garbage is to be classified legal!

The article went right over your head! :lol:


Read the following from the article carefully:

The greatest threat to liberty in France has come not from the terrorists who committed such horrific acts this past week but from the French themselves, who have been leading the Western world in a crackdown on free speech.

Indeed, if the French want to memorialize those killed at Charlie Hebdo, they could start by rescinding their laws criminalizing speech that insults, defames or incites hatred, discrimination or violence on the basis of religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, disability, sex or sexual orientation. These laws have been used to harass the satirical newspaper and threaten its staff for years. Speech has been conditioned on being used “responsibly” in France, suggesting that it is more of a privilege than a right for those who hold controversial views.


It is saying that the French authorities are stifling free speech with various laws against free expression and calls for them to be rescinded.
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