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[kurupetos]

Tim, you’re running around like a headless chicken trying to justify the pathetic existence of a filthy publisher who made it his life’s goal to spread hatred and ill feeling around the world. I assure you that he doesn’t deserve your time, effort, or sympathy!

Also, in doing so you miss the greater picture… the most important thing right now is that peace be restored between the world’s two greatest religions; Christians and Muslims.

The EU *must* therefore crack down on all such racist outlets ASAP or we’re doomed!

If we fail, the Zionists get their way and that spells death to mankind and Bible prophecy fulfilled. You’d better believe it…

Get some help!

Get some ice cream.

[kurupetos]

Tim, you’re running around like a headless chicken trying to justify the pathetic existence of a filthy publisher who made it his life’s goal to spread hatred and ill feeling around the world. I assure you that he doesn’t deserve your time, effort, or sympathy!

Also, in doing so you miss the greater picture… the most important thing right now is that peace be restored between the world’s two greatest religions; Christians and Muslims.

The EU *must* therefore crack down on all such racist outlets ASAP or we’re doomed!

If we fail, the Zionists get their way and that spells death to mankind and Bible prophecy fulfilled. You’d better believe it…

The worlds ...greatest religions !!! Both false, both brutal, none more than your mothers religion, Islam. A load of archaic anachronistic bullocks that has people like you hating and killing in the name of their fucking god. Piss off you pervert !

Suits you right to downgrade Christianity into a religion, old boy. When you will meet your Maker in a few years, don't forget to file a complaint...

[Tim Drayton]

"There are teachings in Islamic law that Muslims living as a minority in non-Muslim countries must obey the law of the land they live in."

Where, please? Koran? Sharia?

This is one argument, which may not be universally held. Actually, it is the job of indoctrinees of the God delusion to sort out the contradictions, not me. Let us hope that some of them, in doing so, will come to the realisation that the God delusion is just that.

To what extent do Muslims have to obey the governments of the non-Muslim countries in which they live? To what extent can they disobey or resist those governments?

The Muslims living a non-Muslim country, even if they originally entered that country by means of forged documents, are considered to be living in their adopted country under a covenant. They must, therefore, comply with the laws of their country of residence without, at the same time, disobeying Islamic Law.

Allah says: “Oh you who believe! Fulfill (your) obligations.” [Sûrah al-Mâ’idah: 1]

He also says: “And fulfill (every) covenant. Verily! The covenant will be questioned about.” [Sûrah al-Isrâ': 34]

He says: “And fulfill the Covenant to Allah when you have covenanted, and break not the oaths after you have confirmed them.” [Sûrah al-Nahl: 91]

A Muslim is not to break or violate oaths or promises. He will not be a true faithful Muslim if he does so. Allah Said: “It is not the case that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside. Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 100]

Among the characteristics of a hypocrite is that he: “…acts treacherously toward covenants (pledges), and when entrusted he betrays.”

Scholars have stated that those who enter non-Muslim countries have to adhere to their respective laws and regulations even if they entered those countries illegally, and they have no excuse for breaking those laws, since they were entrusted to abide by those laws upon entry into those countries.

The eminent Hanafî jurist, Mohammad b. Hasan Al-Shaybânî writes [Biographies (2/6)]:

If it happens that a company of Muslims pass through the enemy’s front lines by deceptively pretended to be messengers of the Muslim’s Caliph carrying official documents – or if they were just allowed to pass through the enemy lines – they are not allowed to engage in any hostilities with the enemy troops. Neither are they entitled to seize any of their money or properties as long as they are in their area of authority. This also applies in case of being truly trusted by the other party.

Accordingly, we conclude the following:

Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have to comply with laws and regulations of the country they have been entrusted though valid visas to enter. At the same time, they have to avoid whatever contradicts Islamic teachings. In case they are obliged by law to uphold something contrary to Islamic teachings, they have to adhere to the minimum that the law requires of them.

One of the best approaches for a Muslim living in these countries is patience. As long as he agrees to live in a non-Muslim country, he is never to rebel against the inhabitants of his choice of residence, even it seems to hard for him to endure.

http://en.islamtoday.net/node/604

[Tim Drayton]

Tim, you’re running around like a headless chicken …

You're running around like a headless chicken, mate. You dodge the issues, quote laws in your support that do not in fact prohibit satire, quote articles in your support that do not in fact defend your views. You have no clue. I am genuinely beginning to pity you.

Christianity and Islam, along with all brands of the God delusion, are in long, slow, painful decline. Atheism is apparently rapidly gaining ground among Egyptian youth. I have no problem with devotees of the God delusion, though, as long as they get on with it in peace and quiet and do not threaten or bother me.

[Paphitis]

Tim, you’re running around like a headless chicken …

You're running around like a headless chicken, mate. You dodge the issues, quote laws in your support that do not in fact prohibit satire, quote articles in your support that do not in fact defend your views. You have no clue. I am genuinely beginning to pity you.

Christianity and Islam, along with all brands of the God delusion, are in long, slow, painful decline. Atheism is apparently rapidly gaining ground among Egyptian youth. I have no problem with devotees of the God delusion, though, as long as they get on with it in peace and quiet and do not threaten or bother me.

Devotees of the Good Delusion are in decline in most countries including Cyprus.

Atheism is on the rise everywhere. Everyone knows that religions will eventually die out.

In Cyprus, the God Delusion is in rapid decline. All the churches are empty and devoid of any life under 70.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Tim, thanks for doing the research.

These are the fundamental components, from my understanding:

...The Muslims living a non-Muslim country, even if they originally entered that country by means of forged documents, are considered to be living in their adopted country under a covenant. They must, therefore, comply with the laws of their country of residence without, at the same time, disobeying Islamic Law.

Provisos!

Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have to comply with laws and regulations of the country they have been entrusted though valid visas to enter. At the same time, they have to avoid whatever contradicts Islamic teachings.

In case they are obliged by law to uphold something contrary to Islamic teachings, they have to adhere to the minimum that the law requires of them.

If these are today's Islamic teachings, it explains a lot as to why young men (and women) are going around disobeying the laws of the lands they have entered (even with "forged documents" as one teaching seems to accept as some kind of norm). They are licensed to kill; they are taught that they can by-pass "the laws" in favour of not "disobeying Islamic Law". This being choosing what they consider as "justice" in following their Islamic faith.

I'm sorry, but this is prejudicial to a civilised society.

[Tim Drayton]

Tim, thanks for doing the research.

These are the fundamental components, from my understanding:

...The Muslims living a non-Muslim country, even if they originally entered that country by means of forged documents, are considered to be living in their adopted country under a covenant. They must, therefore, comply with the laws of their country of residence without, at the same time, disobeying Islamic Law.

Provisos!

Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have to comply with laws and regulations of the country they have been entrusted though valid visas to enter. At the same time, they have to avoid whatever contradicts Islamic teachings.

In case they are obliged by law to uphold something contrary to Islamic teachings, they have to adhere to the minimum that the law requires of them.

If these are today's Islamic teachings, it explains a lot as to why young men (and women) are going around disobeying the laws of the lands they have entered (even with "forged documents" as one teaching seems to accept as some kind of norm). They are licensed to kill; they are taught that they can by-pass "the laws" in favour of not "disobeying Islamic Law". This being choosing what they consider as "justice" in following their Islamic faith.

I'm sorry, but this is prejudicial to a civilised society.

In all fairness, the overwhelming majority of French Muslims have categorically condemned and distanced themselves from these psychopathic murderers. It could well be that the fanatical movements behind them expected this to spark of a massive rebellion, and, if so, it has backfired.

Let us not make the mistake of stigmatising a whole community over the acts of a couple of deranged individuals from this community.

[miltiades]

The vast majority of Muslims condemn these atrocious acts. I have numerous friends and customers, decent hard working lot. What I do however believe is that the Muslim leaders ought to stop preaching the absolute nonsense that ONLY Muslims enter paradise, although the whole concept of god and paradise is dated and false, many are intimidated in believing these pure nonsense.

I recall sometime back discussing with a British born Pakistani Doctor who strongly believed that mother Teresa could not possibly enter paradise as she was not a Muslim. Such brainwashing from infancy, or rather mental rape, ought to be addressed if only to avoid future conflicts developing.

Believe whatever you want to believe , live and let live. I do not believe in medieval beliefs, I believe in freedom and human rights.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Tim, thanks for doing the research.

These are the fundamental components, from my understanding:

...The Muslims living a non-Muslim country, even if they originally entered that country by means of forged documents, are considered to be living in their adopted country under a covenant. They must, therefore, comply with the laws of their country of residence without, at the same time, disobeying Islamic Law.

Provisos!

Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have to comply with laws and regulations of the country they have been entrusted though valid visas to enter. At the same time, they have to avoid whatever contradicts Islamic teachings.

In case they are obliged by law to uphold something contrary to Islamic teachings, they have to adhere to the minimum that the law requires of them.

If these are today's Islamic teachings, it explains a lot as to why young men (and women) are going around disobeying the laws of the lands they have entered (even with "forged documents" as one teaching seems to accept as some kind of norm). They are licensed to kill; they are taught that they can by-pass "the laws" in favour of not "disobeying Islamic Law". This being choosing what they consider as "justice" in following their Islamic faith.

I'm sorry, but this is prejudicial to a civilised society.

In all fairness, the overwhelming majority of French Muslims have categorically condemned and distanced themselves from these psychopathic murderers. It could well be that the fanatical movements behind them expected this to spark of a massive rebellion, and, if so, it has backfired.

Let us not make the mistake of stigmatising a whole community over the acts of a couple of deranged individuals from this community.

Tim, I am not stigmatising a whole community. I feel sorry for these brainwashed individuals. Moreover, the responsibility seems to lie squarely with the teachings; perhaps the Koran itself - at least, its interpretation. Consequently, it is the Islamic leaders who are at fault here for prescribing ambiguous doctrines instead of sending out a clear message that life, all life, has to be respected and that religion has no right to dictate the death of anyone. Differences in beliefs have to be taught as acceptable instead of as though they go against Islam.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen/heard nearly enough condemnation of the killings. There are still too many 'reasons' around for accepting such behaviour, or at least, expecting it.

[Lordo]

The vast majority of Muslims condemn these atrocious acts. I have numerous friends and customers, decent hard working lot. What I do however believe is that the Muslim leaders ought to stop preaching the absolute nonsense that ONLY Muslims enter paradise, although the whole concept of god and paradise is dated and false, many are intimidated in believing these pure nonsense.

I recall sometime back discussing with a British born Pakistani Doctor who strongly believed that mother Teresa could not possibly enter paradise as she was not a Muslim. Such brainwashing from infancy, or rather mental rape, ought to be addressed if only to avoid future conflicts developing.

Believe whatever you want to believe , live and let live. I do not believe in medieval beliefs, I believe in freedom and human rights.

so you would like to change the kuran. have you read the satanic verses.