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[Piratis]

Yes. The TRNC should give no land, not even three pebbles, to the roc.

Ok. so you support the illegal "TRNC" and the illegal occupation.

The land should be given to its original owners under the jurisdiction and supervision of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

Since the original owners, which are the majority, do not accept any "TRNC" on their own land, what you want is irrelevant.

[bg_turk]

Since the original owners, which are the majority, do not accept any "TRNC" on their own land, what you want is irrelevant.

Owing land in a state does not mean that owners can question the jurisdiction of that state over the land.

[zan]

Lets bring them to court if you want legalities all around.

I agree to that. Lets bring everybody that worked against RoC to court. Zan, you support RoC and legality, right? Or you are also an outlaw supporting illegality and the violations of the basic human rights of 1000s of people?

No. What I am saying is that the tongue in cheek quote from me is unreasonable and so is what you are asking. The pound of flesh cannot be extracted without the blood. You are the one who is always asking for war. Yes the only way it can be solved to the extent that you ask is war. Lets not pussy foot around here. If you want to negotiate you are asking for too much. I will not take any part in asking for war so I cannot agree with anything you say.

[Piratis]

Owing land in a state does not mean that owners can question the jurisdiction of that state over the land.

Exactly. Nobody can question the jurisdiction of that state over the land. That state is RoC. That land belongs to RoC and this is the fact. The state you call "TRNC" does not exist as a real state (apart from your dreams) , and therefore it has no jurisdiction over anything.

[Piratis]

You are the one who is always asking for war.

I am not asking for war. I am asking for my human rights which you use force to deny. The last time some people tried to return to their homes you killed 2 of them.

The war started in 1974 when Turkey invaded and it has not ended. What we have now is a cease fire.

Yes the only way it can be solved to the extent that you ask is war.

Well, what I am asking is:
Human rights
Democracy
legality
end of occupation.

Every nation has made wars. The ones that are celebrated for centuries are the ones made in order to gain the above mentioned principles. A War for those principles is definitely an honorable war.

I would be more than glad if you would also accept these universally accepted principles, but if you insist that there is no way you will respect our human and democratic rights you give us no alternative, right?

[zan]

You are the one who is always asking for war.

I am not asking for war. I am asking for my human rights which you use force to deny. The last time some people tried to return to their homes you killed 2 of them.

The war started in 1974 when Turkey invaded and it has not ended. What we have now is a cease fire.

Yes the only way it can be solved to the extent that you ask is war.

Well, what I am asking is:
Human rights
Democracy
legality
end of occupation.

Every nation has made wars. The ones that are celebrated for centuries are the ones made in order to gain the above mentioned principles. A War for those principles is definitely an honorable war.

I would be more than glad if you would also accept these universally accepted principles, but if you insist that there is no way you will respect our human and democratic rights you give us no alternative, right?

I think that a famous English highway man used to say what you are saying in a shorter more direct way.

"Stand and deliver, your money or your life". aka; Dick Turpin

[bg_turk]

Owing land in a state does not mean that owners can question the jurisdiction of that state over the land.

Exactly. Nobody can question the jurisdiction of that state over the land. That state is RoC. That land belongs to RoC and this is the fact. The state you call "TRNC" does not exist as a real state (apart from your dreams) , and therefore it has no jurisdiction over anything.

Any state or a group of states can question the jurisdiction of another state over its territories, the more recent examples of it are in Kosovo and Northern Iraq, it is individual owners who expect their human rights to be respected that cannot question the jurisdiction.

[Eric dayi]

I think that a famous English highway man used to say what you are saying in a shorter more direct way.

"Stand and deliver, your money or your life". aka; Dick Turpin

Whaaaat? I always thought it was Adam and the Ants who said that!

[Viewpoint]

Piratis what you keep referring to, human rights legalities etc we couldnt build and sustain together, in the past, do you agree? we had many problems and hidden agendas. We as TCs also have rights over Cyprus just like yourselves,(although our claim has only been for part of the island whereas yours as has always been for the whole island, but we wont go into that now) you always talk has if we do not have the right to say we are unable to live work and run a country with GCs. Its like 2 naughty children that cant play together and fight all the time. What do you do you let them bash one another brains out or do you seperate them keep them safe and allow them to play on their own. You argue that the whole of Cyprus belongs to Cypriots then surely we as Cyprots have the right to say we want rules and regulations put inplace to ensure we can play together again without fighting and in the meantime lets stay apart in different parts of the island. Negotiations to set those rules and regulations or war? this is the only way you will reach your nirvana.

The choice is yours?

[BirKibrisli]

Wouldn't it be nice if,starting from tomorrow,both sides agree that,in the interest of children and the future of Cyprus,not only do children have the right to study their mother tongues with qualified teachers but also they have the obligation to study the other official Cyprus language as well...So the RoC starts employing qualified Turkish teachers in the South,and the TRNC starts employing qualified Greek teachers in the North.If that happened how long do you think will take to solve the Cypro???Simple,isn't it?Too simple for some no doubt.