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[Mustiejodu]

I was only correcting you in afanya as my relatives are from there and I know exactly what happened there . I invite Nikita to explain her bullshit propoganda facts and figures that she spouts out and try's to explain events that she had no involvement as she is from famagusta . Any greek person that was killed or TC as you rightly so explained well . The killing of the 2 disabled sisters I could easily turn around and twist the story just like Nikita but I will give the benefit of the doubt that it may have been a accident . As you rightly said the revenge of what the eoka did was repaid and this went both ways. What I find with this idiot Nikita is how she twists the story to make it look like the greeks surrounding the village were innocent greeks . My grandfather by accident shot a GC woman by her leg that was hiding in the outskirts of afanya as he herd the bushes move but the woman did not announce her intention . This was in 1974 . I wonder what Nikita would twist this to be ? We would all have done exactly what my grandad did because if you hesitate you might be dead . Anyway the lady survived in case you fucking idiots like Nikita try's to make stories up . Now this is what I call a genuine accident but to burn houses I am not convinced.

[Lordo]

clearly deliberate burning a house without checking to see if people are in it murder and in way can it be said that it can be an accident.

this reminds me of the greek commander who attacked kofunye and gave the order that hi did not even want the tc chickens to survive after this attack. the greeks do have nasty streak of killing women and children throught history and not just in cyprus but everywhere they went.

[Nikitas]

Nikitas is a he.

You guys are mixing up the strife of the 1960s, when irregulars from both sides fought, in the usual way undisciplined fanatics fight, with the 1974 invasion by what describes itself as the best organized army in NATO.

Sevgul Uludag wrote about the killings in Afania in 1974. The Times Insight team reported, with grisly photos, what happened in Karpasia, (by that meaning the whole peninsula starting at Salamis), in September 1974. These events took place AFTER the establishment of Turkish army control and the expulsion of all GC forces, regular, irregular, army and police. Ecevit gave the figure of 4500 dead. Months after the invasion Turkish soldiers killed the painter Kassialos in cold blood.

When these events occur, and an organized army is in control, usually be the personnel of that army, and there are no repercussions for the perpetrators then the inevitable conclusion is that the events were sanctioned or were part of a deliberate policy. Simple.

One event stands out. The killing of 17 year old Androulla Christodoulou in Yalousa. She resisted rape by members of NATO's best, she was bayoneted 119 times, according to the UN doctors who examined the body. A harrowing photo of the body was published in the Sunday Times. Stick it next to the babies in the bath if you want to be even handed.

I have no problem calling the Sandalaris event what it was, a massacre of civilians by a gang of GC thugs. The Turkish army had the perpetrators in its grasp and let them go. What stops you lot from accepting the plan behind the terror campaign of the invading army is the mystery.

[Lordo]

Nikitas is a he.

You guys are mixing up the strife of the 1960s, when irregulars from both sides fought, in the usual way undisciplined fanatics fight, with the 1974 invasion by what describes itself as the best organized army in NATO.

Sevgul Uludag wrote about the killings in Afania in 1974. The Times Insight team reported, with grisly photos, what happened in Karpasia, (by that meaning the whole peninsula starting at Salamis), in September 1974. These events took place AFTER the establishment of Turkish army control and the expulsion of all GC forces, regular, irregular, army and police. Ecevit gave the figure of 4500 dead. Months after the invasion Turkish soldiers killed the painter Kassialos in cold blood.

When these events occur, and an organized army is in control, usually be the personnel of that army, and there are no repercussions for the perpetrators then the inevitable conclusion is that the events were sanctioned or were part of a deliberate policy. Simple.

One event stands out. The killing of 17 year old Androulla Christodoulou in Yalousa. She resisted rape by members of NATO's best, she was bayoneted 119 times, according to the UN doctors who examined the body. A harrowing photo of the body was published in the Sunday Times. Stick it next to the babies in the bath if you want to be even handed.

I have no problem calling the Sandalaris event what it was, a massacre of civilians by a gang of GC thugs. The Turkish army had the perpetrators in its grasp and let them go. What stops you lot from accepting the plan behind the terror campaign of the invading army is the mystery.

you must be joking, there were no thugs reh gumbare they were gc national guards men under the command of the greek officer. the greek officer was heard telling them they need these people for exchange and that they should not be killed. the problem was as soon as he buggered off they did their worst. have you any idea what they did. i can give you accounts if you like that will make your 119 times bayoneting look like a l=picnic on a sunday afternoon.

[Nikitas]

Lordo you are DEAD WRONG on that one. There are TC eye wintess accounts of the days before the massacre at Sandalaris. They were a bunch of thugs from Famagusta and neighboring villages. They set themselves up at the village, and leaned on the cafe owner to cook their meals, usually from sheep robbed from the villagers. They also went through the village and stole money and valuables. They were not CNG people. The CNG people had other things to do between July 20 and August 14. Sandalaris had no importance to justify a military presence.

Not arresting and prosecuting this particular bunch of people in inexcusable. They somehow slipped through the Turkish army lines, and through the Dhekelia base to end up in the free areas. There they could have been arrested but were not. My sources tell me that there is a file on this case but it never went further than the collection of information.

Whatever happened still does not relieve a structured, proffessionally officered army in its systematic killing and terrorising civilians. Kassialos was killed months after the invasion, when he ran out of money to pay extortion to Turkish soldiers. This was way past the end of hostilities, the perpetrators well known and identified by the widow. No action was taken.