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[Lordo]

sotos sod off. how old are you..................... 5 by any chance.

[Nikitas]

And these bath killings were remembered no doubt by the "best in NATO when they summarily executed hundreds of civilians AFTER the cessation of hostilities in August 1974. Ecevit put the number at 4500.

Have a look at the Sunday Times Insight reports of September 1974, you will see dozens of pictures more shocking than the babies in the bath. Read Sevgul Ulutag's account of the Afania massacre, again, it happened AFTER the Turkish army had prevailed, and put it in the balance with the bath murders.

Nothing, nothing whatsoever, done by either side, justifies what happened in August 1974. Denial is your problem more than ours. Not one Turkish soldier was ever arrested or court martialed for the crimes. Not even the known soldiers who killed the aged painter Kassialos in Apostolos Varnavas and who were identified by his widow. Your record on this issue stinks.

[Lordo]

let me help you here if i may son.

first of all the babies in the bath were 11 years before the afanya killings.
second, murataga sandallilar and atlilar and dohni were before afanya too.
third, it was not the ta who killed people in afanya. when ta got there they took control and stopped it. they also took thye two boys to hospital.
fourth, petros was injured that day and speaks regularly about his experience. i have never heard him revenge for his family or even find the murderers and punish them.
fifth, i have heard him talk eloquently about how he is able forgive what happened in 74 to his family, and wishes to live peace under bbf.

finally sixth, what is it with you fascists who have sufered nothing but regularly froth in the mouth the moment terggy is mentioned. you really need to seek help with your issues otherwise you will die in misery.

[Nikitas]

You got Afania mixed up with Palaikyhtro, where Petros' family were massacred by a TC teenager to steal their cows. Afania was a much bigger and organized event. Males from the surrounding villages were taken there and summarily executed. It happened BEFORE Sandalaris. Moving dozzens of people was not possible in areas controlled by the Turkish Army. Look it up.

And you conveniently by pass the Yalousa murders of civlians, the murder of Kassialos the painter. You are stuck on that babies in the bath business. You like to think the TC fasicsts killed nobody in 1963, you sad MF.

[Lordo]

when did i claim that tc fascist never killed anybody. show me a single post where i said that. yosdu shilla.

[Mustiejodu]

TypicaL greek response is denial to anything . Same response from nazi Germans who lived in denial of atrocities. They won't accept any responsibility to any atrocities inflicted on the TC s . Mention the 2 tc villages that were masacred and they will stoop to a level of total denial and even blame TCs . They have similar mentality to the nazi s hence why we should have done what the british did on DDay which was bomb the fuck out of the whole lot of them and bring them to trial and hang them like they did in the Nuremburge trials

Here is a list of massacres in Cyprus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma ... _in_Cyprus

Total Turkish Cypriots massacred by Greeks: 251
Total Greek Cypriots massacred by Turks: 26525

And that list is incomplete ... if we included everything... like the 1000s killed during the Turkish invasion and whose bodies are still being found in mass graves all over the place, then the difference would be even greater. And then of course there are the MILLIONS that the Turks killed in various genocides. And lets not forget that Turkey invaded Cyprus using the same excuse that Hitler used to invade Czechoslovakia. And then you dare say that we are the Nazis? Here is a List of genocides by death toll. The Turks have committed 4 of the top 28 genocides!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ge ... death_toll

Ok now I am speaking to some one with a tiny bit of human like intelligence however still in denial. I will accept what ever number you care to quote killed after what you call quote invasion after what you quote 1974 . Can you care to tell me that this 251 TCs killed as you stated which I will accept and to be honest you can even reduce the TC deaths if care to and I will accept that also . I would ask one question and that is were these TCs killed prior to 1974 ?

[Mustiejodu]

Sotos are you saying that pre 1974 that the figure you have given for greek Cypriots masacred is over 2000 ? Do you realise what you are saying ? If that was the case then greece would have had the right to intervene as one of the guarantors hence why Turkey intervened . I think you are including total figure of GCS killed prior to 1974 and after 1974 and including all the inter killing between your own selfs which partially brought about the turkish intervention . You are making up numbers and putting all the blame on turks . Prior to 1974 TCs could not pull off such a formidable number of killing of greek Cypriots as you have stated . Another question sortos . When the twin towers were blown up which killed around 2000 people . How many Iraqis were killed after this ? When a few bonds were thrown over into the Israeli border which killed 6 people how many people were killed in the palastinian beaches and built up areas ? Once you attack some one even if you kill 6 of theirs they have a right to defend and if they kill 1000 more than them you can't then compare the numbers and say you killed more . Once you declare war or breach agreements the difference between masacre or casualties of war can't be put in the same context to use as propoganda .

[Lordo]

sotos is a very clever boy he has one cell more than the usual single cell brained greek cypriot. he went back to 1570 to count the killed by ottomans in cyprus and lumped them together.

grow up boy and when you reach puberty and assuming you are not more interested in girls, come back and i promise we talk more.

[Mustiejodu]

You got Afania mixed up with Palaikyhtro, where Petros' family were massacred by a TC teenager to steal their cows. Afania was a much bigger and organized event. Males from the surrounding villages were taken there and summarily executed. It happened BEFORE Sandalaris. Moving dozzens of people was not possible in areas controlled by the Turkish Army. Look it up.

And you conveniently by pass the Yalousa murders of civlians, the murder of Kassialos the painter. You are stuck on that babies in the bath business. You like to think the TC fasicsts killed nobody in 1963, you sad MF.

Ok you really have blinkers on . You seem to have all the facts and figures about everything in cyprus and you totally are in denial about anything that resembles a criticism or take any accountability for bad things that GCS may have done to TCs . You and Lordo have both got your facts wrong about afanya . My family are from afanya (gazikoy) so don't you think the locals would have better knowledge of what happened especially when there is no politics or propoganda involved. Bad things happened in afanya . Nikita do you recall the group of Eoka men that came from Vadilli who collectively with the far and few men that were secretly part of eoka from afanya instigated the burning of afanya TC. Houses ? They were trying to smoke out TC men they believed were part of the tnt . However in the process they burnt 2 desabled twins. Now Nikita can I ask you if you knew of men that done this and you had the opportunity to avenge the death of your children and there were more incidents I can explain but Nikita seems to be the expert for everything that happened in cyprus . What about niazi days who came back from nicosia from a wedding party on his motorbike and on his return to afanya again the eoka GC s ambushed him and killed him with wooden weapons . When he was found the next day dumped behind the shed door he had a massive piece of wood inbedded into his face . This all occurred in 1963 . Now if the TCs were able to defend themselves why would they wait untill 1974 and avenge all these murders ? Nikita and Lordo are welcome to answer ! Nikita these men you refer to have been rounded up were they eoka or just ordinary peace loving GCS who loved their neighbours ?

[Lordo]

musti the only way tcs were able to defend themselves were setting up the enclaves. what angers me most is the claim of so called liberls here who claim that tcs were forced into enclaves by tmt and demy any killings of innocent tcs. they claim that all tcs who killed were tmt. which is full of crap.

eye for an eye was practiced by both sides. if a tc was killed a murder of a gc was ordered and if a gc was killed a murder of tc was ordered. unfortunately the fanatics had control of information. tcs only knew who eoka killed and gcs only knew tmt killed. they had no idea what their militia was doing.

the twins you mentioned may have been killed unintentionally but in kofunye in 67 they burnt a disabled man deliberately. again totally denied by so called liberals here. i can understand the ignorance of people in the 60s because information was controlled. but you have ignorant people to this day who are totally unaware what their side has done in their name.

I never claimed to know everything that happened in the 60s, but i have a good idea who did what.