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[Simon]

Firstly, lets get one thing straight, Cyprus has been illegally occupied since 1974 by Turkey. Turkey signed the Treay of Lausanne after the Second World War, which stated that they give up any claims against Greek land, INCLUDING CYPRUS. After this, Britain created a dispute between Greece and Turkey so it could justify its occupation of Cyprus, when Cyprus and Greece wanted union.
Cyprus has been Greek since 2000 BC, the population is 78% Greek, the Turkish settlers are only there because of the Ottoman occupation, they should leave, just like they eventually did in Crete, which had more Turks living there than in Cyprus. The Turkish excuse for invasion was the Turks on the island being persecuted and the military coup. A military coup would not have been needed if what the majority of Greece and Cyprus wanted would have been granted - union. There are 100,000 Turks living in the Greek part of Thrace, there existence there has flourished and their rights have been protected. The same would have happened in Cyprus if the island would have been set free to join Greece, the terrorism and military junta only started because of the unjust way Greece and Cyprus had been treated by the USA, Britain and Turkey.
Cyprus is a Greek island and always has been, Turkey must stop this colonisation and catch up to the rest of Europe is they wish to join the EU.

[zan]

Whos first gentlemen?

[lysi]

Nice one simon. the only reason the occupation is still in place is because greek cypriots and there supporters wont get of there arses and do something.
I walked into an estate agents who is advertising and selling property built on greek land in the occupied areas and told him he was a thieving bastard and that he should not be exploiting greek land.
at least i am doing something and not just sitting on my computer all day with talk talk talk.
Will you confront those that prop up the occupation ?

[zan]

Wasn't that a Monty Python sketch?

[cypezokyli]

let me try zan

hi simon, welcome to the forum.

my god almost every sentence needs revision...
just the basic things.
the "settlers of the ottoman empire" we tend to call them turkishcypriots or our compatriots.
the fact that the ottomans captured the island some hundreds years ago doesnt mean in any case that these people should leave the island.

kreta is a kind of different situation. lets not get into that..

but really, this 2000 year of history... there is no law in history that land is kind of "first come first served". each country has a past where it was somehow bigger than it was today.and they tend to overstress that.
in the year of our lord 2005 (almost 2006) cyprus has two comunities. and accepting that, is really the first and not to mention fundamentally basic if we are going to move in the future in this island.

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A military coup would not have been needed if what the majority of Greece and Cyprus wanted would have been granted - union.

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and therefore is the coup justified?

dont mention the turkish minorities in greece. just an advise
lets assume you never mentioned it.

the terrorism and military junta only started because of the unjust way Greece and Cyprus had been treated by the USA, Britain and Turkey.

thats really innovative way of viewing history simon...but to say that the junta was a concequence of the cyprus situation....where do you get your sources from? is it a book? which one?

anyway i ll just stop here. its already enough.

i dont know if turkey need to catch up with europe...but really you should take a calendar and look at the century writen on it. some of your ideas should have been in pension for quite a while now.

[Piratis]

kreta is a kind of different situation. lets not get into that..

The main difference is that there Greeks won, Turks lost. In Cyprus the game is still on, and judging from the comments of most Turkish Cypriots a "draw", were nobody loses and the human, democratic and legal rights of everybody are respected, is not an option.

[bg_turk]

The main difference is that there Greeks won, Turks lost. In Cyprus the game is still on, and judging from the comments of most Turkish Cypriots a "draw", were nobody loses and the human, democratic and legal rights of everybody are respected, is not an option.

Crete is over for you because Greece won, Cyprus isn't because Turkey won. When you loose a game you want it replayed, when you win you want to have won for eternity.

Who says the Cretan issue is over? Maybe one day Turkish
Cretans will be allowed to return to what was forcefully taken from them. The turkish cause in Crete is certainly not dead. Just like Turkey, Greece does not have the right to keep what was forcefully stolen through violance and massacre from the turkish natives of Crete. Crete is a big wound in Turkish national conscience, a wound that will never heal, and the only concelation is that Turkey as long as it has the power will never let the tradegy of Crete repeat itself in Cyprus. Only over our dead bodies will you turn Cyprus into another Crete.

You will probably return to your homes, when you do that I hope you will remember that the decendants of many turkish cretans may never be able to. Returning is a human right for Greek Cypriot, for Turkish Cretans it is a luxuary they can only dream of.

[zan]

kreta is a kind of different situation. lets not get into that..

The main difference is that there Greeks won, Turks lost. In Cyprus the game is still on, and judging from the comments of most Turkish Cypriots a "draw", were nobody loses and the human, democratic and legal rights of everybody are respected, is not an option.

It is not a draw, we won. We won 37% of the island. We won the right to form a republic. We won a moral victory by letting the GC population stay on the island. (Unlike what you guys did on Crete. What ever happened to the Minoans anyway?) We won the human, democratic and legal rights for our people that you so readily want to strip away. We won because we have no designs on the RoC, your place for your rights. We won the future because your requests are not workable.

[Eric dayi]

kreta is a kind of different situation. lets not get into that..

The main difference is that there Greeks won, Turks lost. In Cyprus the game is still on, and judging from the comments of most Turkish Cypriots a "draw", were nobody loses and the human, democratic and legal rights of everybody are respected, is not an option.

Oh boy, here we go, the war is not over until the Greeks win. LOL

Hey Piratis, when are you going to bring out the wooden horse?

[Piratis]

It is not a draw, we won.

Congratulations for your crippled pseudo puppet state that you "won"

We won a moral victory by letting the GC population stay on the island.

Thanks. I was just wondering why apart from ethnic cleansing you didn't do a genocide like you did with the Armenians.

We won the human, democratic and legal rights for our people that you so readily want to strip away.

You won nothing. You just violated ours.

We won the future because your requests are not workable.

You wasted 30 years from us as well as from yourselves. Thats what you did.

Only over our dead bodies will you turn Cyprus into another Crete.

We have no such intention. Turks came to our area in the 14th century and they advanced over areas that were traditionally Greek. Then Greeks revolted and took part of that back. Many people lost their lives and homes because of this. However now Turkey has its own recognized borders. Greece has no claims over areas of Turkey and Turkey should not have claims over areas of Greece.

In Cyprus the agreement in 1960 was a separate independent country. Both Greece and Turkey should respect that. Now Turkey does not and this is why we are in war (the war is not over, we now simply have cease fire).

The borders of the the 3 countries (Turkey/Greece/|Cyprus) are now clearly defined. Turkey should respect international law and stop her occupation of Cyprus. Unless of course they want a new round of wars.