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[Paphitis]

Where can I put my name down for pallbearers?

Either way, Greece will survive and it could get stronger if things fall its way after a default and GREXIT. It could be a good thing. The Euro program of austerity will be bad for decades to come, but a default could result in a very quick rebound. It's all speculation.

Uncertainty is the biggest killer.

[GreekIslandGirl]

how the hell do you blame terggy for the mess your people have got in. you mind is just water.

Erm how much does Greece have to spend on defense because of Turkey's belligerence?

And, how much tourism did Greece forfeit because Turkey's government demanded fires be started in Greece to keep away tourists?

There is more ...

[Lordo]

how the hell do you blame terggy for the mess your people have got in. you mind is just water.

Erm how much does Greece have to spend on defense because of Turkey's belligerence?

And, how much tourism did Greece forfeit because Turkey's government demanded fires be started in Greece to keep away tourists?

There is more ...

dont be stupid they are both in nato and cannot go to war. in any case it takes two to tango. the same can be said about greece too. terggy spends so much because of greece. there is only one beneficiary out of this and that is american arms. however the terggs are producing their own planes and tanks as well as drones. so gawd help you if you start another war.

[Paphitis]

how the hell do you blame terggy for the mess your people have got in. you mind is just water.

Erm how much does Greece have to spend on defense because of Turkey's belligerence?

And, how much tourism did Greece forfeit because Turkey's government demanded fires be started in Greece to keep away tourists?

There is more ...

Defence spending is not the reason behind this.

Greece is only an average spender on arms in reality. About 4% in GDP or less.

The Europeans are actually right. Greece is unsustainable without major reform.

[GreekIslandGirl]

how the hell do you blame terggy for the mess your people have got in. you mind is just water.

Erm how much does Greece have to spend on defense because of Turkey's belligerence?

And, how much tourism did Greece forfeit because Turkey's government demanded fires be started in Greece to keep away tourists?

There is more ...

dont be stupid they are both in nato and cannot go to war. in any case it takes two to tango. the same can be said about greece too. terggy spends so much because of greece. there is only one beneficiary out of this and that is american arms. however the terggs are producing their own planes and tanks as well as drones. so gawd help you if you start another war.

Turkey is the newcomer in the region having only been around for less than 100 years. It has since then invaded numerous countries! Therefore it is the PRIME cause of the need for defence whether there is a so-called "NATO" in the background or not - Turkey respects NO one!

For sure the Turks are producing weapons of mass destruction, as you claim, and they have to be stopped. Right now, only Greece is shouldering the burden of keeping Turkey at bay and only Greece is shouldering the burden of homing the refugees that Turkey is sending over to Greece.

Eventually, the EU will pick up the bill for how much Greece is spending on having Turkey on its borders! Perhaps that's why they have reloaded its banks even when it didn't ask for that. But right now, they have the witchqueen from the IMF dictating terms and this is NOT helpful for European Union. Get rid of the bankers from IMF and allow Europe to grow!

[Lordo]

how the hell do you blame terggy for the mess your people have got in. you mind is just water.

Erm how much does Greece have to spend on defense because of Turkey's belligerence?

And, how much tourism did Greece forfeit because Turkey's government demanded fires be started in Greece to keep away tourists?

There is more ...

dont be stupid they are both in nato and cannot go to war. in any case it takes two to tango. the same can be said about greece too. terggy spends so much because of greece. there is only one beneficiary out of this and that is american arms. however the terggs are producing their own planes and tanks as well as drones. so gawd help you if you start another war.

Turkey is the newcomer in the region having only been around for less than 100 years. It has since then invaded numerous countries! Therefore it is the PRIME cause of the need for defence whether there is a so-called "NATO" in the background or not - Turkey respects NO one!

For sure the Turks are producing weapons of mass destruction, as you claim, and they have to be stopped. Right now, only Greece is shouldering the burden of keeping Turkey at bay and only Greece is shouldering the burden of homing the refugees that Turkey is sending over to Greece.

Eventually, the EU will pick up the bill for how much Greece is spending on having Turkey on its borders! Perhaps that's why they have reloaded its banks even when it didn't ask for that. But right now, they have the witchqueen from the IMF dictating terms and this is NOT helpful for European Union. Get rid of the bankers from IMF and allow Europe to grow!

and how will that help greece. nobody forced greece to take the loans. they have taken so much loan that they cannot pay back who's fault is that. if they did not take the loans she would have gone bankrupt and be kicked out of the eu anyway. n or perhaps they can go to wonga and get a loan.

[Paphitis]

how the hell do you blame terggy for the mess your people have got in. you mind is just water.

Erm how much does Greece have to spend on defense because of Turkey's belligerence?

And, how much tourism did Greece forfeit because Turkey's government demanded fires be started in Greece to keep away tourists?

There is more ...

dont be stupid they are both in nato and cannot go to war. in any case it takes two to tango. the same can be said about greece too. terggy spends so much because of greece. there is only one beneficiary out of this and that is american arms. however the terggs are producing their own planes and tanks as well as drones. so gawd help you if you start another war.

Turkey is the newcomer in the region having only been around for less than 100 years. It has since then invaded numerous countries! Therefore it is the PRIME cause of the need for defence whether there is a so-called "NATO" in the background or not - Turkey respects NO one!

For sure the Turks are producing weapons of mass destruction, as you claim, and they have to be stopped. Right now, only Greece is shouldering the burden of keeping Turkey at bay and only Greece is shouldering the burden of homing the refugees that Turkey is sending over to Greece.

Eventually, the EU will pick up the bill for how much Greece is spending on having Turkey on its borders! Perhaps that's why they have reloaded its banks even when it didn't ask for that. But right now, they have the witchqueen from the IMF dictating terms and this is NOT helpful for European Union. Get rid of the bankers from IMF and allow Europe to grow!

Greece only existed since 1827. It too is a newcomer and much younger than Australia.

In that short time, it might trigger a financial meltdown in the coming days.

And Bedouin Music and food is a great Greek substitute since everything was copied from there.

[GreekIslandGirl]

All the signs are now in place that Greece is shaping the European Union for good. The EU is edging ever closer to becoming a democratically-run superpower. More work needed by the common people to regulate and remove some of the excessive powers from bankers, though.

Negotiators are promising debt relief for Greece

Italy’s prime minister, Matteo Renzi, urged the two sides to seize a “window of opportunity”, saying all conditions were in place for them to reach a “win-win accord”.

The meeting of European leaders is a victory for Tsipras, who has long argued that the agreement can be reached only at the highest political levels.

Underlining the growing concern beyond Greece, several thousand demonstrators gathered in Brussels on Sunday and several hundred in Amsterdam to plead for solidarity with the cash-strapped country.

“A different Europe with Tsipras” and “You can’t blackmail the people, the country is not for sale”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/j ... r-progress

[Lordo]

i was looking for alex the not so great and found this. the reason why greece is in trouble.

To give just one example of the complexities Mr Theocharis wrestled with: in Greece there are six different rates of VAT. The normal rate is 23% - there are two reduced ones for items such as food, fuel and medicine.
But the Greek Islands enjoy reduced rates of VAT to encourage people to stay in remote parts of the country and to help the vital tourism industry there.
That makes six rates in all, and creates plenty of opportunities for dodging tax.
A recent surge in tourism on the island of Mykonos for instance seems to have led to lower payments of VAT to the Greek government.
Greece also has a pension system that is amazingly complex, with numerous exceptions for different jobs allowing for early retirement.
The pensions are not very generous on average, but overall the Greek government is spending 30% more on pensions than the British government does. The whole system is in desperate need of simplification in order to make it cheaper to run.
Then there are the privatisations. At the start of the crisis, the Greek government committed itself to bringing in €50bn from the sale of state assets. According to Mr Theocharis, that target was soon reduced to €30bn and then €20bn.
In total, the government has managed to raise about €2-3bn so far.
Things like the privatisation of the port of Piraeus are supposed to be bringing in more, but they have been delayed, cancelled and then relaunched.

you cannot make it up if you tried.

[Lordo]

still looking for alex and came across this. it says in terggis

the governments before us put us to sleep by threatening us with terggy
instead of buying planes to put out fires they bought f16s
from now on the budget will go to health not the military
we will not buy f16s instead air ambulances
rather than live in racism we shall live in in a united way
tergggs- griiiiiks- griik cypriots are brothers.

fancy that alex aint that bad after all.