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[cypezokyli]

i just read these two news in phileleftheros, mostly as critisism rather than positive news...but still.

the english school is planning an excursion in the north
who agrees ?

our minister of education , tiringly predictable said :
they (the enlish school parents association) have missinterpreted the objectives of the ministry of education. going to the north is not bicommunal cooperation....
ofcource he didnt really say what bicommunal cooperation is ?


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ΣΕΒΓΚΙΟΥΛ Ουλουντάγκ
sevgül oulountag (excuse me for my non-knowledge of turkish )
has been proposed by the cypriot union of reporters for the prize of free press of UNESCO. ofcource she was proposed because she is anti-denktash... but could a tc enlight us a bit?
for which newspaper does she work?
is she known / respected writer in the tc community?
thanks

[Sotos]

What kind of excursion is it? For fun or for education? Are they going to show them the Turkish army and teach them about the Cyprus Problem. Or are they going to take them to clubs and restaurants?

[cypezokyli]

could be the beauty of kyrenia...
could be to show that in the north is just pople living and not monsters...
it doesnt have to be either army or fun... there is always a third way

[Piratis]

As Sotos said it depends on what they are going to do there.

ofcource he didnt really say what bicommunal cooperation is ?

cypezokyli, if I come and spit on your face, beat you up and then I ask from you to cooperate with me and be my partner while I keep on beating you. What would you say?

Respect is the prerequisite for cooperation. They don't even respect our most basic human rights! How can a sincere cooperation develop under such terms?

The only TCs that we should cooperate with are those that declare clearly that do not accept the occupation and the illegalities and that there is no excuse for human right violations.

[zan]

Piratis wrote

if I come and spit on your face, beat you up and then I ask from you to cooperate with me and be my partner while I keep on beating you. What would you say?

I would say you are a member of EOKA and you are starting something that will end in war.

[cypezokyli]

piratis , you cannot blame the whole community.
i dont know the purpose that they go.

but if they are going to meet with turkishcypriot students..i dont see whats wrong with that. even if you assume that the older generation beat us up (invasion blabla), a fifteen year old couldnt possibly have sth to do with it. they are just too young to be blamed. and if a fifteen year old lives in a gc house and therefore "doesnt respect our human rights" its not his fault or his decision.

[Piratis]

I would say you are a member of EOKA and you are starting something that will end in war.

And you are a member of TMT?
So you admit that what you are doing today will lead in a war?

Because today you are the ones who show no respect to us. And don't tell me that we stated it, because you are the ones who did by invading and occupying Cyprus for 3 centuries and using as us slaves.

piratis , you cannot blame the whole community.

I don't. I believe I always make clear that I blame the ones that support the violations of our human rights.

ut if they are going to meet with turkishcypriot students..i dont see whats wrong with that.

Yes, I don't see anything wrong with that either. This is why I asked what they are going to do there.
So before we judge I think we should find out what kind of activities they will do there.

[Eric dayi]

cypezokyli, that trip was planned for 4th December, was it cancelled?


By Jacqueline Theodoulou

(archive article - Friday, November 25, 2005) Cyprus Mail


THE ENGLISH School in Nicosia has arranged an educational trip to northern Cyprus and pupils can, attend provided they have their parents’ consent.

The trip, planned for December 4, will be a journey into Mediaeval Cyprus. Pupils will get the chance to visit historical Cypriot monuments, such as Kyrenia castle.

A representative for the school told the Cyprus Mail yesterday that the trip had been n the cards for a while and that it is 100 per cent educational.

“This is an extra curriculum activity that was organised by four of the school’s societies: History, Economics, Environment and Under the Same Sky. It is voluntary and very important that pupils’ parents sign the relevant permission slip, allowing their children to attend.”

Iacovos Theodoulou, a first year pupil at the school, says he wouldn’t be interested in the excursion. “I have been there already and, because I didn’t like it, I wouldn’t like to go there again.”

His father, Christos Theodoulou, said he had no qualms about his son going on the trip. “It would not bother me at all.”
Nor does he think that it would cause any danger to the pupils. “The days when something like this was dangerous are over.”

The trip will be supervised by six of the school’s teachers, three of which will be Turkish Cypriot.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2005

[Bananiot]

I know Sevgul. She is a passionate worker for peace. She is a real Cypriot. She works for Yeni Duzen, I believe.

[TheCabbie]

...And don't tell me that we stated it, because you are the ones who did by invading and occupying Cyprus for 3 centuries and using as us slaves...

What an irrelevant comment...

Cyprus has always been under the control of one Empire or another, the Turkish rule may not have been the most pleasant but bearing in mind that if you drew a circle of 250km radius with Nicosia at the center, you'd probably find more Turks than any other people, theirs is easier to understand.

It's attitudes like yours that make me think there will be no solution in our lifetimes. Right now nobody is spitting at anybody, and nobody is killing anybody, or enslaving them.
If we have any chance it must be now and will only come if the this type of rhetoric is put to rest forever, by both sides.

[quote]The recorded history of Cyprus begins with the occupation of part of the island by Egypt in about or just before 1450 bc, during the reign of Thutmose III. In subsequent centuries seafaring and trading peoples from the Mediterranean countries set up scattered settlements along its coast. The first Greek colony is believed to have been founded by traders from Arcadia in about 1400 bc. The Phoenicians began to colonize the island in about 800 bc.

Beginning with the rise of Assyria during the 8th century bc, Cyprus was under the control of each one of the empires that successively dominated the eastern Mediterranean. Assyrian authority was followed by Egyptian occupation (550 bc), then Persian (525 bc). During the Persian occupation, King Evagoras I, ruler of the Cypriot city of Salamis, made the first recorded attempt to unify the city-states of Cyprus. In 391 bc Evagoras, with the aid of Athens, led a successful revolt against Persia and temporarily made himself master of the island. Shortly after his death, however, Cyprus again became a Persian possession.

For almost a thousand years thereafter, control of the island passed from empire to empire. Alexander the Great took Cyprus from Persia in 333 bc, and after his death in 323 bc the island again became an Egyptian possession, under the Ptolemies. Rome gained control in 58 bc, followed by the Byzantines in ad 395, who ruled until 1191, when Cyprus was seized by Richard I of England. He gave it to Guy of Lusignan, titular king of Jerusalem—the Lusignan dynasty built several large forts and castles, some of which are still standing. In 1489 Venice took control of Cyprus. Turkey captured the island in 1571 and held it until 1878, when Turkey was defeated in the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-1878. Fearing greater expansion by Russia, Turkey induced the British to administer Cyprus.[/quote]