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Postby tsukoui » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:31 pm

Cyprus forumers have a good grasp of debating history, but we need to become better at debating economics. The following article is tough but we need to understand it. It critiques not only Bitcoin but the libertarian critique of money in general:

The libertarian critique of money implies that fiat money is bad because it is subjective, i.e. political; and that money needs an ‘objective’ support. But the Bitcoin support being immaterial code, it is worthless except for the trust of the community, and as it is designed for self-interest through its deflationary design making it increase in value, it also needs to be scarce to be subject to market dynamics of supply and demand. But though it can’t serve policy by determining its predetermined value, it is also in essence a fiat currency, created by the fiat of its creators, not an objective material value (such as gold or other commodities, some of which historically could actually be used by itself). Libertarian economist seem to fear most of all the arbitraryness of dictatorial powers that print money to suit their purposes, thereby debasing its value. But democratic governments with a social mandate may very well use it differently, for example for carrying out social or redistributive policies. I think David Graeber makes the point that most recent crisis of inflation were actually not the result of printing money, but of debt generated by the banks. In any case,the commodity approach behind Bitcoin makes any progressive social policy impossible, and leaves us stuck in highly unequal societies. This does not mean we should be opposed to Bitcoin, just wary of some of its supporters claim that it is a universal panacea.


http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/dmytri-kleiner-bitcoin-cant-serve-the-necesary-public-function-of-money/2012/11/08
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Re: Critique of Bitcoin...

Postby tsukoui » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:48 pm

This is a more comprehensible essay by the same author:

If government is untrustworthy, then we need new democratic forms to take its place, not try to constrain it by tying its spending to some arbitrary volume of metal, and if the banking system is not managing our money supply, we can not help ourselves by adding even more limits on how credit can capital can be formed, but rather we need to create ways to create credit and capital amongst ourselves. Gold Standards and Full Reserves don’t help us do any of these things, what they do is chain us even more to the established distributions of wealth and power and help conserve the structure of wealth, at the expense of our common wealth.”


http://unaltabak.com/dmytri-kleiner-against-the-ideology-of-gold/
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Re: Critique of Bitcoin...

Postby Lordo » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:26 pm

bitcoins are nonsense. it may fool a lot of people but there are easier scams. those who do not trust money, and have some sense about them normally buy either gold or silver as some protection.
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Re: Critique of Bitcoin...

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:57 pm

Looking forward to the time when I can be totally self-sufficient and turn my back on 'money' of any description. Will pay my taxes in lemons, grapes and potatoes. 8)

Once a peasant, always a peasant. Back to my ρίζες. :D
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Re: Critique of Bitcoin...

Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:31 pm

do you need some land. real terggish land in the groc.
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Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:16 pm

Sounds like a very dodgy deal to me, Lord O. There's no such land. All belongs to the RoC/Orthodox Church/native Greeks.
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