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[Lordo]

aisdon charlui do zizziron dje en imborui na vgali dammathgadu.

fahusan navgalis.

[kurupetos]

aisdon charlui do zizziron dje en imborui na vgali dammathgadu.

fahusan navgalis.

Endelia skalaboundaros. I will prepare some louganigo and lokma for him.

[bill cobbett]

Ennasas sfeexo bou don lemmon ostee na fkee ee speegee sas, brothers Lesho and Toffo.

Whilst we're waiting for our cousins to breathe their last, here's the latest uncompromising reaction of CY Sener Levent.

(Summary of the lead story in AFRIKA by CY PIO...)

"... Sener Levent, Afrika’s publishing director, refers to the issue in his daily column today under the title “The rape in Turkish” and notes that Oz is lying when alleging that the Turkish army did not raped Greek Cypriot women in 1974. Levent notes that a Turkish captain named Esat Oktay Yildiran, who had participated in the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 and afterwards served as commander in a prison in Diyarbakir, said that following to his Kurdish prisoners there: “In the Cyprus war in 1974 we organized an attack against a Greek Cypriot village. In this village I drank the blood of a Greek Cypriot child whom I beheaded. I will not be satisfied even if I drink your blood, the blood of the Kurds”.

Levent gives also another example of Turkish atrocities in 1974:
“There are testimonies by other soldiers who had been sent to Cyprus during the 1974 operation. For example, [there is] Yalcin Kucuk, who afterwards became a well-known professor, researcher and writer. Look how he describes what he was told by a commander named Necati. This commander has never forgotten a rape which happened in front of his eyes.

Now, this next bit by Levent is very, very graphic, so it's in small type for the sensitive...

He cries every time he tells this [story]. A Greek Cypriot woman in Tymbou village was raped by two persons in front of the eyes of her mother and her child. Kucuk describes another incident. He cannot remember the name of the village. He says it was a village full of cypress and eucalyptus trees. He says the following: ‘Suddenly I heard gunfire near me and I saw two soldiers. They were shouting with pride. I have killed her, my commander, I have killed her. I headed towards the point they have shown. A young woman was looking at the ground moaning. Her hands were tied behind her back and her legs were open. A white liquid and blood was pouring out of her legs. They had emptied their guns on the woman’s belly. The fat that was pouring out from her belly was stack on her sex organs which were open and wounded’.

Your army did this sir, not animals, your army which could not behave even like animals. The Turkish soldiers. And now you ask for an apology? Go and ask apology from the Turkish soldiers who beheaded the Greek Cypriot child and drank his blood. Ask apology from your disgusting soldiers who emptied their guns on that young woman’s belly after they raped her. […]” ... "

[Oceanside50]

If Sener would have been elected to the European Parliament these words would have been heard endlessly by the Europeans ...but as always the shortsightedness of ROC politicians is mind blowing ...

[repulsewarrior]

If Sener would have been elected to the European Parliament these words would have been heard endlessly by the Europeans ...but as always the shortsightedness of ROC politicians is mind blowing ...

well said, we both hope that there will be the same courage among the voters themselves as Cypriots who seeing the elite for what they are, provide more support to what is an opposition, branded, subversive, marginal, Communists, or radical, threatened, even with death.

...though Dogus Derya will not stand for re-election, she exists, so does Sener Levant, Cinel Senem Husseyin and Koray Basdogrultmaci, the idea that facts would rather be hidden is revealed, more publicly, no one with good sense can support this thinking of Oz and his ilk, they cannot sustain this behaviour, it is a bad day for the regime, it is a good day for people who believe there is something more to living than being "Turkish", or "Greek", for that matter; the elections are coming just the same.

[Oceanside50]

If Sener would have been elected to the European Parliament these words would have been heard endlessly by the Europeans ...but as always the shortsightedness of ROC politicians is mind blowing ...

well said, we both hope that there will be the same courage among the voters themselves as Cypriots who seeing the elite for what they are, provide more support to what is an opposition, branded, subversive, marginal, Communists, or radical, threatened, even with death.

...though Dogus Derya will not stand for re-election, she exists, so does Sener Levant, Cinel Senem Husseyin and Koray Basdogrultmaci, the idea that facts would rather be hidden is revealed, more publicly, no one with good sense can support this thinking of Oz and his ilk, they cannot sustain this behaviour, it is a bad day for the regime, it is a good day for people who believe there is something more to living than being "Turkish", or "Greek", for that matter; the elections are coming just the same.

Take it a step further RW, Cypriot Christmas dinner tables in Cyprus and the diaspora, should be questioning the path the ROC leaders have been taking for the past 40+ years

[Lordo]

how many votes did he get in the end. any ideas.

there is only one peace plan and one peace process. it is called bbf. end of.

[kurupetos]

how many votes did he get in the end. any ideas.

there is only one peace plan and one peace process. it is called bbf. end of.

End of you.

[repulsewarrior]

...more than ELAM.

[repulsewarrior]

Last week deputy Zorlu Töre took the floor during the parliamentary debate on budgetary issues in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC), making a patriotic speech as usual.
Following his performance deputy Doğuş Derya took the floor and said the following: “By reliance on a story of constant victimhood, we are always told that we were the only ones who suffered in war, as if there is a winning party. We were never told that others also suffered. Not only did we lose but other people who lived in this country also lost. They were forced to leave their homes and properties; they were raped. The [Cyprus Orthodox] Church permitted abortion in 1974 for the first time because there were so many Greek women that had been raped. For this reason, we need to remember that there are people we ignored because we objectified them as enemies. By looking through the lens of a federalist point of view, we could confront the reality and the truth of others. That would maybe mean remembering how to be ashamed; remembering that we have a consciousness. We need to consider the future, not just the past. We need to show determination to build a future. If we do this, then we would fulfill our responsibility.”

The statement attracted the ire of many, including other deputies, who repeated well-known formulaic statements and arguments. The Cultural Association of People from Hatay, the Cultural Association of People from the Black Sea and nationalists of all sorts -- mainly from mainland Turkey -- further launched a smear campaign.

There are some significant developments regarding the federalist argument referenced by Deputy Doğuş Derya. Although this is not the first time, a comprehensive and remarkable initiative toward a federal solution was presented by the grassroots organization, Federal Cyprus Initiative. The initiative, which was founded on Dec. 14 with the support of Cypriot Greeks, Cypriot Turks, Armenians and Maronites, states: “To create a unified Federal Cyprus, we need to address the longstanding clichés raised by official circles and the conventional perception of realities. We also need to confront the realities and truths of those we considered enemies.” www.yeniduzen.com/haberler/haberler/agi ... endi/45341

This is a very valuable initiative as a mainstream internal dynamic with no link to Britain, Greece, the EU, the UN, the US or Turkey. This is also a spontaneous initiative not based on political calculations and for this reason alone, disturbs nationalists on both ends of the island.

Let us also look at what deputy Derya referred to in another part of her speech: “Today, RIK TV, which is a state-run broadcasting body, talks about the suffering of Turkish Cypriots between 1963 and 1974. Greek Cypriots started a process of confrontation. Those who witness this from both sides feel uncomfortable because when a federal Cyprus becomes integrated with the world, a lot of things in the current illegal stage would change.”
Derya's speech can be accessed here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-Q-tzg_3s
Former president of Cyprus, Demetris Christofias, also recently said something along the same lines: “The Greek Cypriots should hail the brave attitude of Derya and show the same bravery. Is it not true that some Greek Cypriots raped women and children, executed unarmed prisoners and committed bloody attacks in Maratha, Aoli, Sandalaris and Tohni? The mutual trust and rapprochement between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots may not bring about the settlement of the Cyprus issue, but this is the precondition for a federal solution.”

Yet the smear campaign against Derya is not a coincidence.

Note: There is shocking and well-documented information provided by Professor Niyazi Kızılyürek in Yeni Düzen newspaper on the rapes that occurred during the 1974 military intervention.
www.yeniduzen.com/Yazarlar/niyazi-kizil ... ardir/5422
The whole matter is not about American, Greek, Serbian or Turkish armies' discipline during wars, it is about the character of men with a weapon in their hands in an environment of total chaos that we call war.

Merry Christmas to Christian readers.

CENGİZ AKTAR (Cihan/Today's Zaman)

http://en.cihan.com.tr/news/Federal-Cyp ... YzNDE4Ni81

Federal Cyprus and its enemies

...copied in its entirety because i enjoyed reading it so much. brewing is an idea which cannot be stopped, Cyprus exists, and it is for Cyprus that Cypriots will act. they will be pushed too far, to "be" "Greek" or to "be" "Turkish", again as in the past, but what is natural always prevails, at one point they will choose what is different, rather than be apart, to defend each other against a common adversary, those not "Cypriot".