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[GreekIslandGirl]

I think there is some evidence that actually China today is abandoning dogma and is actually doing some potentially interesting stuff based on an administrative 'class' that gets its legitimacy from its people not through 'democracy' but simply through 'what works' in terms of delivering better lives for those that live there.

Spoken like a true child of Erdogan!

"Delivering better lives" ... robots! Women, wear your headscarves, don't laugh in public and listen to your menfolk - and that really .... WORKS!

[GreekIslandGirl]

... those who design and implement what works, promoted and move up and through the administrative class and what fails is rejected.....

"1984"

"Brave New World"

"Erdogan"



Unbelievable!

Easy enough for any Asians who do not question, but want to be told what to do and believe by an "administrative class".

[erolz66]

... those who design and implement what works, promoted and move up and through the administrative class and what fails is rejected.....

"1984"

"Brave New World"

"Erdogan"



Unbelievable!

Easy enough for any Asians who do not question, but want to be told what to do and believe by an "administrative class".

You are not even 5% baked and your ability to fail to understand what is being said in favour of what you want to think is being said is legendary. Trying to have any sort of serious discussion with you is pointless, you are simply not equipped with the necessary skills and are hampered by manifest disabilities.

For those that are actually interested in what I was fumbling to suggest in a couple of short sentences and actually have an ability to think for themselves and question, then the following may be of some interest.

http://www.theoligarch.com/scientific_d ... losphy.htm

GiG my advise to you would be, best stick to what you know, distortion, distraction, exaggeration, lies and character assassination.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Sure! YOU are the authority!

[Paphitis]

I fully agree that every attempt at "Communism" has so far ended in disaster, and I speak as somebody who witnessed the horrors of marshal-law Poland as a student in Warsaw in 1983-1984. However, I still prefer to believe that a better society is possible, whether you term it "Communism" or something else. I find the Rojava experiment in a decentralised form of socialism with the maximum possible amount of local autonomy interesting. I live in hope that one day humanity will find a way of creating a just society. I certainly don't see much justice in neo-liberal globalised capitalism under which a handful of people are increasingly dominating the world.

Well said.

I think there is some evidence that actually China today is abandoning dogma and is actually doing some potentially interesting stuff based on an administrative 'class' that gets its legitimacy from its people not through 'democracy' but simply through 'what works' in terms of delivering better lives for those that live there. A kind of 'marketplace' of 'government', where what works is replicated and those who design and implement what works, promoted and move up and through the administrative class and what fails is rejected. It is very early days but I think there is a real chance that China will be at the forefront of finding a 'new way' that actually is better than neo-liberal globalised capitalism we have today.

China has embraced the free market and that has improved the lives of millions. But there is also a lot of poverty still.

They also lack democracy.

You need to prove that Western Countries are less fair than in countries such as China. In many EU countries, UK, Australia, Canada you have universal health care. In China, if you fall sick, you simply die. The only western country that has both botched it up so to speak is USA.

There are a lot of problems in China, there is a reason why Hong Kong wants to elect its own leaders and to be semi autonomous. Sure, the free market is improving things but it will be a very long time before China even gets close to other countries. They are progressing economically but not politically.

[Oceanside50]

I fully agree that every attempt at "Communism" has so far ended in disaster, and I speak as somebody who witnessed the horrors of marshal-law Poland as a student in Warsaw in 1983-1984. However, I still prefer to believe that a better society is possible, whether you term it "Communism" or something else. I find the Rojava experiment in a decentralised form of socialism with the maximum possible amount of local autonomy interesting. I live in hope that one day humanity will find a way of creating a just society. I certainly don't see much justice in neo-liberal globalised capitalism under which a handful of people are increasingly dominating the world.

Well said.

I think there is some evidence that actually China today is abandoning dogma and is actually doing some potentially interesting stuff based on an administrative 'class' that gets its legitimacy from its people not through 'democracy' but simply through 'what works' in terms of delivering better lives for those that live there. A kind of 'marketplace' of 'government', where what works is replicated and those who design and implement what works, promoted and move up and through the administrative class and what fails is rejected. It is very early days but I think there is a real chance that China will be at the forefront of finding a 'new way' that actually is better than neo-liberal globalised capitalism we have today.

China has embraced the free market and that has improved the lives of millions. But there is also a lot of poverty still.

They also lack democracy.

You need to prove that Western Countries are less fair than in countries such as China. In many EU countries, UK, Australia, Canada you have universal health care. In China, if you fall sick, you simply die. The only western country that has both botched it up so to speak is USA.

There are a lot of problems in China, there is a reason why Hong Kong wants to elect its own leaders and to be semi autonomous. Sure, the free market is improving things but it will be a very long time before China even gets close to other countries. They are progressing economically but not politically.

It's inevitable that there will be a strong movement towards freedoms

[tsukoui]

... those who design and implement what works, promoted and move up and through the administrative class and what fails is rejected.....

"1984"

"Brave New World"

"Erdogan"



Unbelievable!

Easy enough for any Asians who do not question, but want to be told what to do and believe by an "administrative class".

You should read the article Gig, the arguments put forward are based on Plato

[Paphitis]

The arguments put forward are based on historical fact.

There are reasons why Communism is a failed experiment. Until something better comes along we remain a free market, with democratically elected Governments, and not a totalitarian power elite. To have everyone equal will also remove the motivators for human development and progress and keep people in poverty.

Tsuk, we need to convert you to Disy or DIKO! I can be your God Father if you like.

[erolz66]

You should read the article Gig, the arguments put forward are based on Plato

Your suggestion that GiG should read the article I posted a link to is based on assumption that there is any sort of desire or interest or motivation on GiG's part to try and understand what I am saying and discuss that in a rational way. This is an assumption that does not hold I am afraid. GiG has no interest in what I am actually saying or trying to say what so ever. Her only interest is in trying to rubbish what I say and me as the person saying it based on her own distortion of what I said and why I said it - because I am 'turk' in her perception and it is her job / role / calling to do such to anything posted here from someone she perceives as 'turk'. To pursue that object does not need her to read the article at all. Sad but essentially true.

[Paphitis]

You should read the article Gig, the arguments put forward are based on Plato

Your suggestion that GiG should read the article I posted a link to is based on assumption that there is any sort of desire or interest or motivation on GiG's part to try and understand what I am saying and discuss that in a rational way. This is an assumption that does not hold I am afraid. GiG has no interest in what I am actually saying or trying to say what so ever. Her only interest is in trying to rubbish what I say and me as the person saying it based on her own distortion of what I said and why I said it - because I am 'turk' in her perception and it is her job / role / calling to do such to anything posted here from someone she perceives as 'turk'. To pursue that object does not need her to read the article at all. Sad but essentially true.

The essay you posted did not make much sense to me at all.

I thought Tsuk was referring to my link.