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[Piratis]

This is taken from another thread:

The fact that you lost the war means you lost land just like all other peoples of the world in history. Reality is in front of you its you that has to come to terms with it.

I perfectly agree for the first time with Viewpoint. We have to come to terms with the fact that we lost the war and we also lost land with it and thus, make sure that in the next war to come in the future, we are the ones who win it and also win back all the land that we lost in the previous war. In other words we should continue to get prepared for this and do not be deceived by any negotiations for a solution. When something is lost in a war, it can only be gained back with another war.

Viewpoint, thanks for reminding to us this universal reality!

So the question is:
Is winning another war the only way all the GC refugees will be allowed return to the homes of their ancestors?
I am not asking whether we should have a war or not, and I am not asking whether winning such war is possible or not.
What I am asking is if there is any alternative way of ending the human right violations against us or not.

[sadik]

This is a very conter-productive question you are asking, Piratis. You guys (you and Kifeas) are sometimes getting angry with someone and starting to make inconsistent posts with what you are defending. A new war, as you well know, will create more human right violations, especially our (all Cypriots') right to live.

[Kifeas]

This is a very conter-productive question you are asking, Piratis. You guys (you and Kifeas) are sometimes getting angry with someone and starting to make inconsistent posts with what you are defending. A new war, as you well know, will create more human right violations, especially our (all Cypriots') right to live.

What did I do to you Sadik? I decited for once to use the traditional pro-Taxim doctrine which claims that a ‘nail drives out nail,’ and you come and spoil the party.

[Piratis]

Sadik, I do not want war, take this for a fact.

However our human rights are violated and the land that our ancestors have been living for 3500 years is stolen.

So how can GCs return to their homeland?
There are only 2 alternatives:
1) That their homeland will be given back to them
2) That they will take it back by force.

Is there any other way?

If the answer to "please respect our human rights and give us back our land" is "you lost the war, you lost your land, face the reality", then what other alternative do we have?

[Viewpoint]

Negotiate for it?? could this be the answer you seek. Who do you have to negotiate with? us the TCs.

We all agree that we all messed up big time in Cyprus and the cause of the current situation is down to us. Then surely we Cypriots should be able to sit and work out our problems, obviously neither side has the will, desire, vision or capability to bring about a comprehensive solution. Do you really see the progress you desire over the last 2 years? If there are no negotiations all we have is the current situation a status quo and plenty of political point scoring childish rehtoric between our communites which believe me working well to drive us further and furtehr away. Is that what GCs truely want? maybe it is.....

If your leaders do not have the desire to resolve this issue then either you swallow what they tell you which you all apeear to be doing or voice what you want and apply pressure on your leaders to get off their arses and make a solution happen that will be acceptable to both sides.

But Piratis and Kifeas if you feel that the above is not the route you wish to take then be my guest arm yourselves up to the teeth and start a war, you may win but there again you may just lose again.

When you say all GC refugees do you mean 100%? is that possible?

[cypezokyli]

i believe that the cost of waging a war will ba much greater than some people loosing their land. so war is out of the question no matter what. even if there was a chance of winning WAR IS NOT AN OPTION.

the best we can achieve is the more refuggess as possible to return. this can be achieved by either a partition where we get more land than the anan plan , assuming the tcs agree to it ( i also strongly oppose this, but with this opinion growing in the gcs side and with our leadership....). even though that would sadly implicitly mean that we moove to pure states and that the tc also loose their land.
the second option, is a kind of AP. more refuggees oculd return if bi-communality is clear and strong, so the bizonality could be relaxed a little bit. so there would be as many refuggees returning also under tc administration.
that to happen ofcource we need to start negotiating...sth we dont do
we should start trusting each other and hoping that we fears of the kind "the gc agenda is too greekfy the north" or the turkish agenda is "to turkify the island with ore settlers" , will eventually diminish.

the return of all refuggees is sadly...impossible
and i prefer that, than going into a war of any kind, which will inevitably lead to even more violation of human rights...

[Viewpoint]

cypezokyli the current stalemate takes us into more entrenched positions until GCs will say hey lets just get as much land as possible and stay seperated.

[cypezokyli]

i dont know how widespread is this opnion vp.
but it is around, and is becoming stronger especially after the AP.
and the worst is that nobody seems to be alarmed by that fact.

on the other hand no political party has ever dared to express that opinion. i guess it would be kind of suicidal to say that, as a gc politician , but who knows in the future? for sure such a party would have some voters...how many though i absolutely cannot imagine. dont want to exagguate my fears. but for sure our leaders with the language they use i am afriad that they dont help.

[Viewpoint]

Thats where it is all heading it just takes come longer to accept this fact. I hit that point after the referendum and understood that we do not want a solution. We are incapable of agreeing anything.

[cypezokyli]

never say never vp.